From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 0L3VD+IPLmF3yQAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:17:54 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id 8OJiC+IPLmEYBAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:17:54 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C72B1C719 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:17:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:54816 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mL1m4-0007AD-Kg for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 07:17:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mL1fo-0003RK-4H for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 07:11:24 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:39533) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mL1fl-0004Yf-Ft for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 07:11:23 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11DA2240104 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:11:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1630408277; bh=QAxX40Re5xmauP+BlovtxW8zWJjfCXF4Es75DbsjZHw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=MwzEhMldIbbrNCLELpaai/HXgz1Vcb0L2HSXcmS8i8M0ynvEeWFpEWk8ylaYDnvhm /36OfOLHiFqgUMgO3Bn1tATkN7egEo7/1vqTKhE2aEmg68cXw0SkUgEu1l+g2V9Uul vXMMptxLAq8pSI49/iTXgsmyKo0+7tAdop+77cODs7DQdQLUV8GdMhdqC3PnayalT1 8/LwKEVlUNgdHXEjuPgKtDcqoMFjqkGmXt2OWNhXqY7YCzYG4vv/R3Fn/PBC96pA3K 6V/sYjnUGDA3FZBx84JZu+CGDjvD2Zf3TdXHhO2+XkEUdl7FtGt1pshRDiAXinF3uf g8lwr2Ytn8h/Q== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4GzPdJ2JVKz9rxH; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:11:16 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Protesilaos Stavrou , mvar Subject: Re: Smart quotes for Greek (questions for a possible patch) References: <87r1ew5an0.fsf@posteo.net> <87o89yv1mz.fsf@cnu407c2zx.nsn-intra.net> <87mtp2votp.fsf@protesilaos.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:11:15 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87mtp2votp.fsf@protesilaos.com> (Protesilaos Stavrou's message of "Fri, 27 Aug 2021 19:23:46 +0300") Message-ID: <87k0k1uawc.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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It can be confirmed, then, that the quotation marks rules for current Greek are identical to the rules for Spanish, so it will be enough to copy the existing configuration for Spanish in `org-export-smart-quotes-alist'. It seems that the character U+201F as the first second level quotes (instead of U+201C), which Yannis Haralambous comments in the article cited in my first message, although historically attested, has been abandoned... Soon I will propose here a patch to support small quotes to Greek. Best regards, Juan Manuel Protesilaos Stavrou writes: > Hello Michalis, Juan Manuel, > > [ I had no access to a computer and could not get to you sooner. Expect > timely replies from now on. ] > > The first level quotes are indeed =C2=AB=C2=BB. For the other two, I hav= e to rely > on what I have encountered before, namely, that the second level is > denoted with double curly quotes =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D and third with single= curly quotes > =E2=80=98=E2=80=99. > > I have come across those in EU documents. There is a style guide for > the European Institutions.[1][2][3] > > I do not know latex notation to help you with the technicalities. > Here are the unicode points: > > | =C2=AB | U+00AB | > | =C2=BB | U+00BB | > | =E2=80=9C | U+201C | > | =E2=80=9D | U+201D | > | =E2=80=98 | U+2018 | > | =E2=80=99 | U+2019 | > > All the best, > Protesilaos > > [1] Quotes: . > [2] General info: . > [3] Main portal: .