From: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Citations, continued
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:52:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h9v4o1ye.fsf@gmx.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87ioflmgkc.fsf@berkeley.edu
Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu> writes:
> Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
>
>> Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu> writes:
>>
>>> ...so the first step for introducing citation syntax to Org should be
>>> compiling a list of all the things such a syntax should represent.
>>
>> See also
>>
>> <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/72446>
>
> Within a citation, each reference to an individual work needs to be
> capable of containing:
> 1) a database key that references the cited work
> 2) prefix / pre-text
> 3) suffix / post-text
> 4) references to page/chapter/section/whatever numbers and ranges.
> This is likely part of the prefix or suffix, but might be worth
> parsing separately for localization or link-following behavior.
> 5) a way of indicating backend-agnostic formatting properties.
> Examples of some properties users might want to specify are:
> - displaying only some fields (or suppressing some fields) from a
> reference record (e.g., journal, date, author)
Would this not be properties of the bibliography and not the citation?
> Citations as a whole also need:
> 6) [@6] a way of indicating formatting properties for specific export
> backends.
I think the idea would be /not/ to have to consider specific backends. If
you want special properties (say bold) for HTML could it not be solved by
a macro or a filter? Probably I'm misunderstanding.
> ...
> - CSS or other styling class (HTML and derived backends; also
> ODT?)
The user solves this by writing CSS. Of course citations would be wrapped
in a span or whatever.
> - properties describing how to treat emphasis and other
> formatting that cannot appear in plain text (ASCII and other
> plain text backends)
IMO this is solved by ox-ascii.el already.
> In addition to the syntax of citations themselves, the Org document
> would also need to represent the following metadata to support
> citations:
> 7) [@7] a pointer to one or more backend reference databases,
> including in-document databases in org-bibtex format
This would be a huge win.
> 8) a reference to a citation style or style file
How does this work outside of LaTeX?
> 9) a reference to a locale file
There's already a #+BIBLIOGRAPHY or #+REFERENCES in ox-bibtex.el. But
it's quite limited.
> 10) an indication of where the bibliography should be found in the
> exported document (equivalent to \printbibliography, etc. in
> LaTeX)
> I would like to know if others can think of anything else that should go
> on this list. I am particularly interested in hearing from people who
> use (or want to use) citations with non-LaTeX export backends, since I
> am least familiar with how citations work in those types of documents.
I would use citations in html and even odt. Put it's a hard problem
'cause there's nothing quite like bib(la)tex (to the best of my
knowledge).
> I have also been working on a proposal for citation syntax that I think
> will meet these requirements, which I will post separately.
Cool! Let me know if I can help.
I have mainly worked on regexps for the syntax I proposed in another email.
—Rasmus
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2015-01-31 18:26 Citations, continued Richard Lawrence
2015-01-31 18:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-01 22:07 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 13:52 ` Rasmus [this message]
2015-02-02 17:25 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 18:09 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 15:45 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-01 22:06 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 1:41 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 4:43 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 13:56 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 18:11 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 19:38 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 19:51 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 22:47 ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 0:54 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-03 1:36 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 14:17 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 16:58 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 14:07 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 13:51 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 15:09 ` Matt Price
2015-02-02 18:02 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 19:55 ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 1:56 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 2:08 ` Vikas Rawal
2015-02-03 10:55 ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 10:35 ` Julian M. Burgos
2015-02-04 16:34 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-03 10:35 ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 12:00 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03 16:27 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 17:25 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03 3:58 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03 4:41 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 7:30 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03 16:11 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04 6:30 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 12:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-04 16:45 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-06 10:27 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-06 22:41 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-07 22:43 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 2:46 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 9:46 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-08 17:09 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 22:23 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-09 8:46 ` e.fraga
2015-02-09 10:50 ` Rasmus
2015-02-09 11:20 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 11:37 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 9:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 15:09 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10 8:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 9:22 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 9:41 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:01 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 15:32 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10 1:50 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-09 17:46 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-09 20:13 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 1:32 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 4:04 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10 5:23 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 6:20 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-08 9:58 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:18 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 18:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 9:28 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 10:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 10:50 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 12:36 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 13:40 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 16:11 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 10:02 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 17:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:29 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 1:54 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 8:49 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 9:20 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 10:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:36 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 10:53 ` Andreas Leha
2015-02-10 15:03 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 15:54 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:14 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 16:22 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10 16:44 ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11 2:07 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 10:19 ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11 16:51 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-13 2:31 ` Matt Price
2015-02-11 10:47 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-11 11:32 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:04 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 2:10 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-11 2:48 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 3:53 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-06 23:37 ` Rasmus
2015-02-06 23:16 ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 17:44 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 15:59 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04 17:58 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 19:24 ` Richard Lawrence
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