From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:27:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87h93oygic.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: <2F92B854-9322-45EA-8753-A6CAA3717974@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57101) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfqoG-0002Bp-RL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 11:27:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfqoG-0003jS-1B for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 11:27:32 -0500 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::195]:57978) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfqoF-0003jH-Rl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 11:27:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <2F92B854-9322-45EA-8753-A6CAA3717974@redhat.com> (Max Rydahl Andersen's message of "Mon, 20 Feb 2017 13:58:18 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Max Rydahl Andersen Cc: Org-mode Hello, "Max Rydahl Andersen" writes: > What I often have is that I during a meeting or brain dump do this: > > ``` > * Some important topic > - idea 1, some notes > - idea 2, another note > - idea 3, a third note > ``` OK. > And then I go over these and I use the shift/alt+keys to reorder the > ideas up and down and eventually I would like to do this: > > ``` > * Some important topic > - idea 1, some notes > ** TODO idea 2, another note > - idea 3, a third note > ``` What is that? Is "** TODO idea 2, another note" a headline, in which case it should be at column 0? Headlines are different from plain lists. You can use C-c * on second item to turn it into a headline. You can also move to the beginning of line (C-a), kill word (M-d) and insert the two stars. It is a longer but maybe more natural, since those are standard text editing keys. > I know I can press a short cut to make it a top item, but why can't > I just use the normal standard tree editing keys ? I'm not sure to understand what "standard tree editing keys" you're talking about. AFAIU, you want to turn a structure (a list) into another one (a headline). There's a command for that, but I don't consider the action to be a standard editing one. > Is there a way to have org-mode ask what kind of thing it should do > when I move the lists "out-of-bounds" instead > of just error out on me ? IMO, you may be mis-using the tool. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou