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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien?= Gendre Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1647814075; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=c40YcXO52/eUhQDxur3GXumky0r1H4n+WkHlEB+N8UI=; b=aiMYJc0ywXxy5q5HVuA3vXxx+a3MAoN7e4wi9+GUHOKSWgQtTGfJPAY9HPhgzaXuO97xCh MaVmUKmDeKsODBS7K/JEEXGU3De1YbJVY/aWOrGAANL0YBMMRsGrwjkRAJvEvdy5mWnGIO J8VMYnZlz4ZMKadlkztkVlJVX0UKi4XeCJIRPXu+0z2kf0dzM0Wg3O81lu1AxV5PNntRsN knhHapA7XdR4ovXqKnYXaO6lq8zTL9+mDwDwmCQiUQfPqXojRJq5oVXEA3UHHTndHgTHXh SDkRDQ4nPuXEdM+lM7aV7JJyjMEZngy4D66rOtyOyITUlsziGXZiHLBMJpxQYA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1647814075; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RDIcdPlG4vnt9XL6053LF3JX7rcJk4PDZrsm1fzDcMYhNNzJjKrlS+JJTpdbDnt5kYr3gA ngmSvUX2hr8Hv6drkO1BthP8PAHCLdv5sIDpyBB6UQoze0sEbdWEJIrMHeKn0FbuRFYNSK 4MdttwSDLg/mC+qG3LkvcGdzpZUIHkhH3MVN35XUl4KhoZr9Ql0Eiza44DIAaBgsfm1GkX RqGN0gm8ThsBxUcnj1FPUA4GSHK45hvPpsbK4k2rTwvbwbeBqeZc1zi/mV1ZuNVVTn16vE XR1R65afjDc0ko/TlF1xxqmenHrV+30d2jek6D2VWbgh0P139vp878r05Mv2lg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=UpnqFRqM; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 5.78 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=UpnqFRqM; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 54CD42200B X-Spam-Score: 5.78 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: SSEPqn+2fGPo Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> For example, I >> would not have a task which says to review my tasks twice a week. Do you >> really need a task to remind you to do this twice a week? Do you really >> need to track that you have done this? I would classify such tasks as >> 'noise' tasks. They really don't perform any real purpose. It is >> similar to brain dead project policies which state things like "every >> function must have a unit test". Many functions don't need a unit test >> and forcing people to write pointless unit tests does more damage than >> not having them. > > I disagree about this specific example (not with your whole idea). > Reviewing tasks is important for people who can easily fall into > continuous routine. Dedicating several hours per week to look into what > you are doing in a broader perspective is valuable. > > Note that I do not mean "review" as looking through _all_ the tasks. > Rather looking into current projects and deciding what to do, and, more > importantly, what not to do in the coming week/days/months. > > See https://www.benkuhn.net/weekly/ > My point was not that you don't need to review on a regular basis. Reviewing your tasks and projects regularly is essential. My point was that creating a todo task telling you to review your tasks/projects is an example of a 'noise' task. A common beginner error I've seen is for people to be so impressed with org-mode, they decide to create tasks, templates and projects which map out every aspect of their life. The problem with doing this is that you then create additional work for yourself in managing these tasks and you run the risk of being overwhelmed - you have so many tasks that instead of making your life easier, you now become paralysed by too many task choices. Getting the right balance is challenging and we do need to review what/how we do things and refine our process in a continuous analyse, plan, implement, review cycle.