From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id cCQkC95R0GARkgAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 10:46:22 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id 4G/gBt5R0GAnLAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 08:46:22 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DBE4292C2 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 10:46:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40056 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvFZR-0006OZ-R5 for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 04:46:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48094) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvFYq-0006NF-F5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 04:45:41 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:38775) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvFYm-0001fj-Jt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 04:45:39 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1CB321BF206; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 08:45:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: Denis Maier Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations References: <871raawc7j.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87sg2orz0z.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <81051f87-a90e-56ed-7867-d6179ec1e9ad@mailbox.org> <139ff81d-4af6-1e75-f4c9-416032fc514f@mailbox.org> <87h7icatav.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <952cbae3-496c-acea-4ff1-beb9c3306979@mailbox.org> <87zgvvtoay.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <535c4059-e019-0970-afea-efed82b003ac@mailbox.org> <2009852882.89167.1623622988878@office.mailbox.org> <48377c85-5891-3658-d35b-cba1358878a8@mailbox.org> <87v969htj9.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Denis Maier , Bruce D'Arcus , Org Mode List Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 10:45:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Denis Maier's message of "Mon, 21 Jun 2021 10:12:22 +0200") Message-ID: <87fsxbip1y.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.201; envelope-from=mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr; helo=relay8-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Org Mode List , Bruce D'Arcus Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1624265181; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=afteHMivWlmFGZFBbgRx/qYzb5J4YEExDJ85oA5AviU=; b=I0+pQB6LDnN79coIoWsgRz34I/Fw4+3X0jymOyVbvcPRjAQDyTWUYf9SdjWq0BnG/sM37+ 5/jGKmwTlcsu2x9bt3+RNUSKeY4Mi1HnA1EjWa5hH2iAK71fQy1+0pLNpwKM7jgxzyDsLc UVSTAPaqmKohh9sANomsTVv4157NoGWIReiEC9V8uB6wo6OxJ1ICeeIOIh3MIqHLwd93Mj pAes9oIKoQJ4xrWHLC8WM1/jmD0fsJVntHgFs9WHbXHOMh/4EWCmVX5Nu96ubMBkzLRFoU PmQYo87LvzKkJW61wHkZRUivSD/RGKNmdxnXCdwRFpUs5rqnOIA/9M4RuLiMqg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1624265181; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=J6rkMGAAZqai/vGoh7WbnyrK20KqP6XLpkoM77QBOi7pwScCxv/pAIg/GeygS+C0MRfxtp Ql6H+pNRfI3zZWzm+XB9YQ9LtBdErei1vFBSUl7fY8Y+mLNIENmXvjgvx1y1/WqDokeg4a H2HWLbiSU0m6qweZPe9Xs3yZJcnHYVUwWzkY4fnr+jAI40oKYgJHmxDJm8Mgr1XkoFwq/u aUk4Y1EbA4EF/ow3GarG0TxhAwJMBLmM1mpVqYW0XPe1J4RhQh6CWQyx7k+sIhQ9xQ8bEk BYTLwcsRfaEhB0vRtHexVlWQqT65W23zm+Qm3UIxQ+62PYhFHhYOAvOmWPencg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.42 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3DBE4292C2 X-Spam-Score: -2.42 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: tEESNsIsAOLw Hello, Denis Maier writes: > Using a space for this is perhaps too subtle as you say. Also, the > question is which one should be the default. I'd actually suggest to > turn it around: > > "A quotation ending without punctuation"[cite: @hoel-71-whole]. > "A quotation ending with a period" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. > > Reason for this: People who don't care for this distinction---either > because they use en-us only, or because they never switch from in-text > to notes styles---will probably prefer to have a space between > quotation and citation (in input and output). People who don't care for this distinction can write "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. "A quotation ending with a period" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. So I guess the default doesn't matter in this case? > What about some sort of escaping for punctuation that should stay > outside the quotation marks? > "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]\. > > But, of course, that's imperfect as well. Don't know which option is > less odd. Actual usage may tell. I implemented the spacing-tweak in "wip-cite-new". You (and others) may want to try it out on real documents and see if it feels somewhat natural. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou