[BUG] M-S-<UP> does not adjust clock timestamps as described in docs [9.5.5]

[BUG] M-S-<UP> does not adjust clock timestamps as described in docs [9.5.5]

[Robert Nikander]

Hi,

The docs say this about S-M + arrow keys on clock log lines. (In section: 8.4.1 - Dates and Times > Clocking Work Time > Clocking Commands)

  ‘S-M-<UP>’ (‘org-timestamp-up’)
  ‘S-M-<DOWN>’ (‘org-timestamp-down’)
     On ‘CLOCK’ log lines, increase/decrease the timestamp at point and
     the one of the previous, or the next, clock timestamp by the same
     duration.  For example, if you hit ‘S-M-<UP>’ to increase a
     clocked-out timestamp by five minutes, then the clocked-in
     timestamp of the next clock is increased by five minutes.

But it doesn't seem to work like that. For example

   * Testing it out
   :LOGBOOK:
   CLOCK: [2023-02-07 Tue 12:35]--[2023-02-07 Tue 12:45] =>  0:10
   CLOCK: [2023-02-07 Tue 12:20]--[2023-02-07 Tue 12:30] =>  0:10
   CLOCK: [2023-02-06 Mon 12:20]--[2023-02-06 Mon 13:20] =>  1:00
   :END:

If I put point on the minutes of 12:30 (second line) and hit S-M-<UP>, it moves the time to 12:35, but nothing else moves. Based on the docs, I thought it would shift one of the other lines.

Rob


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 of 2022-09-12
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Re: [BUG] M-S-<UP> does not adjust clock timestamps as described in docs [9.5.5]

[Ihor Radchenko]

Robert Nikander <robert.nikander@icloud.com> writes:

> But it doesn't seem to work like that. For example
>
>    * Testing it out
>    :LOGBOOK:
>    CLOCK: [2023-02-07 Tue 12:35]--[2023-02-07 Tue 12:45] =>  0:10
>    CLOCK: [2023-02-07 Tue 12:20]--[2023-02-07 Tue 12:30] =>  0:10
>    CLOCK: [2023-02-06 Mon 12:20]--[2023-02-06 Mon 13:20] =>  1:00
>    :END:
>
> If I put point on the minutes of 12:30 (second line) and hit S-M-<UP>, it moves the time to 12:35, but nothing else moves. Based on the docs, I thought it would shift one of the other lines.

S-M-<UP> only considers clock history during current Emacs session. Will
clarifying this in the manual suffice for your use-case?

If not limiting the command to current clock history, we would need to
look across every single Org file searching for intersecting clocks -
extremely resource-intensive procedure.

Note that you can use agenda clock check to catch clock inaccuracies.

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Re: [BUG] M-S-<UP> does not adjust clock timestamps as described in docs [9.5.5]

[Robert Nikander]

> On Feb 8, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:
> 
> Robert Nikander <robert.nikander@icloud.com> writes:
> 
>> […]
>> 
>> If I put point on the minutes of 12:30 (second line) and hit S-M-<UP>, it moves the time to 12:35, but nothing else moves. Based on the docs, I thought it would shift one of the other lines.
> 
> S-M-<UP> only considers clock history during current Emacs session. Will
> clarifying this in the manual suffice for your use-case?
> 
> If not limiting the command to current clock history, we would need to
> look across every single Org file searching for intersecting clocks -
> extremely resource-intensive procedure.
> 
> Note that you can use agenda clock check to catch clock inaccuracies.

I’m pretty much a beginner with the clock features, so I don’t have an opinion yet on how it should work. But yes, it seems like clarifying the manual there would be an improvement. 

I don’t know what agenda clock check is. Is that a certain function, or agenda view? Searching the manual and functions for that term didn’t yield anything obvious.

Re: [BUG] M-S-<UP> does not adjust clock timestamps as described in docs [9.5.5]

[Mark Barton]

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> On Feb 8, 2023, at 6:11 AM, Robert Nikander <robert.nikander@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I’m pretty much a beginner with the clock features, so I don’t have an opinion yet on how it should work. But yes, it seems like clarifying the manual there would be an improvement. 
> 
> I don’t know what agenda clock check is. Is that a certain function, or agenda view? Searching the manual and functions for that term didn’t yield anything obvious.

Here is an option that I have been using for a few years now, in case it helps you find your solution.

I use org agenda view with log mode on to show clocked entries. The "v c" keys bring up the view of clock check
C-c a a l v c

Now to adjust the gaps or overlaps in clocking, I found this package helpful versus doing it manually for the entries.
https://github.com/dfeich/org-clock-convenience

I can go to a clock entry that needs adjustment and run the org-clock-convenience-fill-gap command and it will adjust the time to be contiguous. 

Mark

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Re: [BUG] M-S-<UP> does not adjust clock timestamps as described in docs [9.5.5]

[Ihor Radchenko]

Robert Nikander <robert.nikander@icloud.com> writes:

> I’m pretty much a beginner with the clock features, so I don’t have an opinion yet on how it should work. But yes, it seems like clarifying the manual there would be an improvement. 

Fixed, on main.
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git/commit/?id=5d548c34f

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Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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