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In-Reply-To: <87edvzen0a.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> (Timothy's message of "Sun, 25 Sep 2022 18:53:32 +0800") Organization: GNU References: <871qs6ygmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkrasnla.fsf@localhost> <871qs6li9l.fsf@gnu.org> <874jx2wqgi.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <87czbq7ach.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsgmqu1h.fsf@localhost> <87r105xicb.fsf@localhost> <87a66ra45s.fsf@localhost> <87mtar2yph.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtaq95sr.fsf@localhost> <87bkr61tmw.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v5mslb.fsf@gmail.com> <87k05t8qa3.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <87pmfj7mu4.fsf@bzg.fr> <87edvzen0a.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 07:03:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87czbin2wk.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1664168671; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=aJRJ4pVvmICBq0jwg90ELLVLBAyrVXz8keqeD2MJK7c=; b=Bg+wsLszN/4yTJpYGSMJ3svKy5gmzZQfaMaarplLNM1tH144/O9iCC47kdwRDU5k/wZr3p DffNTldbhnBb+w0KNGQ6nEJNfYzKEcQTQwDLmOYijhq+4F91VDZpzyOeVAYY0yNsRaP2h6 ZlWYUV8h+2Wgh7a5+ppT3YspAd26fxpJ1V4oejOkZwUWBpzzOdv6ZmWOLrLgrMdeaC3CWg yJpdO68qdbZlx/UoPBARgAuaxIT4UbmsEzU7SgH2lnp3IC34aViQYJ7sDt7zOyppo10UFG 4ImESgCqL3Zdugw8NRIHR6OU9Mq9PpFzcOXuwLWqTtl7Vn73TrkaqKU7smPWNw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1664168671; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=crrNr/dvpU0XOZsRfXFbxDnr4rytHMo60ZKxnzyQPN9u7evvUQLbQSXZVeu5QsG/sA+scN zcMMn4egI28vEF+j59qNamrt52K/OvHpmBVBs27r0AOBLn20TTXJm1hw4CUunnrv564XJ6 pNlA9ilrmWKC3JTpGjbo+YbA8L6tD1dXptHLHhY0xf5DmpMkBWfP7IcgI4KfUhN47c+Ryd QQhWJf+6B2uvS28UMPfXNMhzBvX3yVrN+2qHhIeuyrcnLhcgTfuZZgRXekZm8S/oBTlUoY GweLk9fzdsHe10X21wjHOqWOI1bBO/ZrngvnsWDCBb32+hHZWZvRbMg3vkEzKg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=ZG+88Ys1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.64 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=ZG+88Ys1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6A6BF12922 X-Spam-Score: -4.64 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: BX3jqNhrQcvG Hi Timothy, Timothy writes: > Yep, but I do think it=E2=80=99s good to have a few promoted places, idea= lly based on > FOSS services. Not to start another tangent, but this is one of the reaso= ns why > I think discourse could be a good idea =E2=80=94 as a FOSS replacement fo= r reddit, > stackoverflow, etc. If someone wants to set up a Discourse instance and maintain it, of course (s)he can. The question is: should this become an *official* place for Org discussions, maintained by Org maintainers? I don't think this is desirable, given the resources we have*. It is sooooo easy to set up a Discourse instance and quite difficult to maintain it in the long run -- also, how to explain to newcomers when to send messages to Discourse and when to reach the list? This will probably end up as "a place for users" (Discourse) and "a place for developers" (the ML), which I don't want. * FWIW I would much prefer to have contributors commit to enhance Worg: it is a critical resource, seen by ~30K per month, and many pages are outdated. >> I think I get your point about categorisation in general, but in this >> case, there is the risk of excluding a category of people (lurkers, >> occasional contributors, etc.) or more precisely: to incidently and >> inadvertently encourage them to self-exclude themselves. > > I hear what you=E2=80=99re saying, I=E2=80=99m just not sure how much of = an issue this actually > would be. My initial suspicion is with a this issue would be small to > non-existent. Perhaps -- or perhaps not. What Ihor says in another email is that people who post on e.g. reddit don't want to bother hardcore devs on this list. I'm quite sure if we setup an official #org-dev channel, people from #org-mode will shy away from #org-dev. >> Is it possible to lurk in a Matrix room without any login? > > With a matrix client you can peek in public rooms without joining them, a= nd > currentl= y exists. This link does not allow me to send an anonymous/pseudonymous message to the Matrix room, right? That's what I'm talking about, that IRC permits. All best, --=20 Bastien