From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is the cascading logic of outlines a feature, or a design bug?
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 08:21:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87cz85s45j.fsf@mbork.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y6np8B2uA6ZBTRKv@tuxteam.de>
On 2022-12-26, at 19:37, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 05:36:06PM +0000, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
>> abq@bitrot.link writes:
>>
>> > So, that addresses the cost. What was the benefit?
>>
>> For example, export. Things like LaTeX or Markdown or ODT do not support
>> document section continuation.
Markdown being a very poor example, since it is basically a format for
first drafts (and it's bad even at that).
>
> Here's the LaTeX perspective, which perhaps illustrates that "print",
> our grandmother, didn't necessarily think hierarchically:
>
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/174651/latex-end-section-or-subsection
>
> (Spoiler: LaTeX does as print and Org, as Ihor says -- and different
> to XML).
>
> At first it seems surprising that there are those two perspectives
> and there's no "right" or "wrong", as the OP seems to assume.
FWIW, I think LaTeX also got this "wrong" (and perhaps surprisingly, XML
"right";-)). AFAIR, ConTeXt (which I haven't used for several years, so
I might be mistaken) does "TRT" here.
OTOH, I agree that it looks surprising, and we mathematicians (and CS/IT
people) would like to have a nice, tree-like structure, but I suspect
that not allowing to continue the parent section after the subsection
ends is a wise decision. I highly suspect this would be very confusing
for 99% people, which might be precisely the benefit the OP is asking
about.
Just my 2 cents,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://mbork.pl
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-12-27 7:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-26 6:47 Is the cascading logic of outlines a feature, or a design bug? abq
2022-12-26 7:51 ` tomas
2022-12-26 10:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-26 17:23 ` abq
2022-12-26 17:32 ` tomas
2022-12-26 17:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-26 18:37 ` tomas
2022-12-27 7:21 ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2022-12-27 9:00 ` tomas
2022-12-28 6:40 ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-12-28 7:28 ` Heinz Tuechler
2022-12-28 9:29 ` tomas
2022-12-26 12:38 ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-26 17:03 ` abq
2022-12-27 16:02 ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-28 1:52 ` Samuel Wales
2022-12-28 7:14 ` Stefan Nobis
2022-12-28 7:21 ` Samuel Wales
2022-12-28 8:45 ` Greg Minshall
2022-12-28 9:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-28 9:34 ` Greg Minshall
2022-12-28 9:34 ` tomas
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