Bug: Displaying timeline for .org-file and then switching to including inactive timestamps will not include old and future inactive timestamps [8.3.1 (8.3.1-16-gf6aa53-elpa @ /Users/cube/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20150810/)]

Bug: Displaying timeline for .org-file and then switching to including inactive timestamps will not include old and future inactive timestamps [8.3.1 (8.3.1-16-gf6aa53-elpa @ /Users/cube/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20150810/)]

[Jakub Szypulka]

Background: Open an org-file with only inactive timestamps. Execute
"C-c a L" to show the timeline for it. The timeline will be empty,
and only show the heading for today's date. This is correct. Now press
"v [" in order to include inactive timestamps in the timeline.

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Expected result: the timeline will include all inactive timestamps,
including past and future ones.

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Actual result: the timeline will only include inactive timestamps for today,
but not past or future ones. Furthermore, it will not allow the user to execute any
date-changing shortcuts such as "b" or "f".

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Thanks a lot in advance for having a look!

Cheers
Jakub

Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1265.21)
 of 2015-04-10 on builder10-9.porkrind.org
Package: Org-mode version 8.3.1 (8.3.1-16-gf6aa53-elpa @ /Users/cube/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20150810/)

Re: Bug: Displaying timeline for .org-file and then switching to including inactive timestamps will not include old and future inactive timestamps [8.3.1 (8.3.1-16-gf6aa53-elpa @ /Users/cube/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20150810/)]

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Jakub Szypulka <jakub@szypulka.de> writes:

> Background: Open an org-file with only inactive timestamps. Execute
> "C-c a L" to show the timeline for it. The timeline will be empty,
> and only show the heading for today's date. This is correct. Now press
> "v [" in order to include inactive timestamps in the timeline.
>
> ---
>
> Expected result: the timeline will include all inactive timestamps,
> including past and future ones.
>
> ---
>
> Actual result: the timeline will only include inactive timestamps for today,
> but not past or future ones.

It seems correct. According to manual:

  ‘v [  or short  [     (org-agenda-manipulate-query-add)’
       Include inactive timestamps into the current view.

Current view here is today.

> Furthermore, it will not allow the user to execute any
> date-changing shortcuts such as "b" or "f".

There are many advertised limitations to Timeline feature. Actually,
Timeline feature is moribund[fn:1][fn:2]. Use Agenda view instead.

Regards,


[fn:1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/39368/focus=40038

[fn:2] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/60518

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

document depreciation of timeline? (was: Re: Bug: Displaying timeline for .org-file and then switching to including inactive timestamps will not include old and future inactive timestamps [8.3.1 (8.3.1-16-gf6aa53-elpa @ /Users/cube/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20150810/)])

[Gregor Zattler]

Hi Nicolas,
* Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> [24. Aug. 2015]:
> There are many advertised limitations to Timeline feature. Actually,
> Timeline feature is moribund[fn:1][fn:2]. Use Agenda view instead.

[... 4 Zeilen gelöscht ...]
> [fn:1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/39368/focus=40038
> 
> [fn:2] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/60518

There are only two commits which mention the timeline in their
summry lines in the newer git history since 2008-01-31.

Shouldn't the feature then be officially depreciated and
mentioned as stale in the manual?  The manual mentions the
timeline in most cases together with the agenda.  And there is a
small chapter dedicated to the timeline.

If depreciation of the timeline is OK I would patch the manual
accordingly. 


Ciao, Gregor
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Re: Bug: Displaying timeline for .org-file and then switching to including inactive timestamps will not include old and future inactive timestamps [8.3.1 (8.3.1-16-gf6aa53-elpa @ /Users/cube/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20150810/)]

[Jakub Szypulka]

Hello Nicolas,

thank you for the quick reply.

In that case, using agenda view, how can I display all timestamps in a buffer when the oldest and newest are a long time apart?
Must I define a custom agenda view first? (e.g. to encompass a large time frame and hide empty days)

Regards
Jakub

> --- Original message ---
> Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote on Monday, 24 August 2015 at 00:16:
>
> Hello,
>
> Jakub Szypulka <jakub@szypulka.de> writes:
>
>> Background: Open an org-file with only inactive timestamps. Execute
>> "C-c a L" to show the timeline for it. The timeline will be empty,
>> and only show the heading for today's date. This is correct. Now press
>> "v [" in order to include inactive timestamps in the timeline.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Expected result: the timeline will include all inactive timestamps,
>> including past and future ones.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Actual result: the timeline will only include inactive timestamps for today,
>> but not past or future ones.
>
> It seems correct. According to manual:
>
>   ‘v [  or short  [     (org-agenda-manipulate-query-add)’
>        Include inactive timestamps into the current view.
>
> Current view here is today.
>
>> Furthermore, it will not allow the user to execute any
>> date-changing shortcuts such as "b" or "f".
>
> There are many advertised limitations to Timeline feature. Actually,
> Timeline feature is moribund[fn:1][fn:2]. Use Agenda view instead.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> [fn:1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/39368/focus=40038
>
> [fn:2] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/60518

Re: Bug: Displaying timeline for .org-file and then switching to including inactive timestamps will not include old and future inactive timestamps [8.3.1 (8.3.1-16-gf6aa53-elpa @ /Users/cube/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20150810/)]

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Jakub Szypulka <jakub@szypulka.de> writes:

> In that case, using agenda view, how can I display all timestamps in a buffer when the oldest and newest are a long time apart?
> Must I define a custom agenda view first? (e.g. to encompass a large
> time frame and hide empty days)

I think so. You can try setting `org-agenda-span' to a large number.

Regards,

Re: document depreciation of timeline?

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:

> There are only two commits which mention the timeline in their
> summry lines in the newer git history since 2008-01-31.
>
> Shouldn't the feature then be officially depreciated and
> mentioned as stale in the manual?  The manual mentions the
> timeline in most cases together with the agenda.  And there is a
> small chapter dedicated to the timeline.
>
> If depreciation of the timeline is OK I would patch the manual
> accordingly.

I'm all for it. I think we shouldn't even document deprecated features
in the manual, otherwise, they just never go away.

In any case, Bastien will have the last word on the matter.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou