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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.43 X-Spam-Score: -6.43 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: F1CDC5833B X-TUID: e4RrxuogmQmQ Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas writes: >> And what about drawers? Don't they fit the idea of "detached" element? > > But drawers would not serve as a "detached section"... Although they are > certainly very versatile. I usually use drawers to export as small > "containers". And when I don't export them, they are very useful for > temporarily saving all kinds of "things". In Spanish we have the term > "caj=C3=B3n de sastre" (lit.: "a tailor drawer") to refer to something wh= ere > you can store everything :-) I am not sure here. It looks like having a new special block type #+begin_inlinesection ... #+end_inlinesection would be sufficient. Given that we cannot nest inlinesections anyway. Or special drawer :inlinesection: ... :end: Although, drawers will be less powerful because, unlike special blocks, you cannot have a different drawer type inside. For special blocks, a different special block is perfectly fine. I do not see any clear benefit of having a dedicated, separate markup for inlinesection, apart from philosophical. > As for the inlinetask (or whatever they may be called in the future), > the fact that they are a kind of hybrid between a section (unrelated to > the level hierarchy) and a drawer seems very interesting to me. Apart > from the scenario of the anonymous sections that I mentioned before, I > can think of a few more. For example, something like this: > > *************** WORKING Complete this :noexport: > DEADLINE: <2023-08-27 dom> > Content=20 > *************** END > > And the combination of org-store-link with org-transclusion can also be > interesting. > > Or, for example this other example, which is not possible now, but with > some modification in org-mime-org-subtree-htmlize I think it is: > > *************** TODO Email this=20 > DEADLINE: <2023-08-27 dom> > :PROPERTIES: > :mail_to: mail address > :mail_subject: mail subject > :END: > Content > *************** END We can get the same functionality if we allow arbitrary properties and tags assigned to non-headline elements. --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at