From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id mF5GHSStkWCyQQAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 04 May 2021 22:23:00 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id gODMGCStkWB6MAAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 04 May 2021 20:23:00 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7A501B04C for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 22:22:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40578 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1le1ZK-0006oO-CW for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 04 May 2021 16:22:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33406) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1le1Yf-0006o4-Oz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 04 May 2021 16:22:17 -0400 Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:42267) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1le1Yd-0005iI-9m for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 04 May 2021 16:22:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (40-67.ipv4.commingeshautdebit.fr [185.131.40.67]) (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 36C66240004; Tue, 4 May 2021 20:22:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: "Bruce D'Arcus" Subject: Re: Notes about citations in Org (part 3) References: <8735v91926.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87pmyb80qk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sg34udy6.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87czu77ohl.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87v97y7sie.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87bl9qaktw.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87r1im7qgr.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87pmy68zjs.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <8735v27i8m.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <874kfi8pti.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87eeem5ta5.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mail-Followup-To: "Bruce D'Arcus" , Org Mode List Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 22:22:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Bruce D'Arcus's message of "Tue, 4 May 2021 13:28:40 -0400") Message-ID: <877dke5jww.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.178.230; envelope-from=mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr; helo=relay10.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Org Mode List Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620159780; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=MEAkJsrvg0n9f12borYy01KeHn3OCa1HicwYW7R+a8g=; b=Bssj3kPz1YOmXcBY15KmO4BkC5QwGY4DUjAh23QtY0TYtYqi9vhYJGA2RfUUnUUI6GLeB7 YoHypiw0kwfG0/Mx+jacghKvg/oIqCWIbGXQbdoVQ22VAQLidRJABgxdhJhqXrG6T7/6DK gDEZOa4bBzsHtC40EMCTsyVZJxoUuoxsDZFjnXwiajh/UAPLQSY4Nwb/eNmEqZN4fuHHMg A2ZxEYYrm9QkwgK21F/zjM1kJChrN5j5ypBNNesO8AnheJrja4aYSsRmE60CUCNDeDpzk/ S4V66KuyROnFdmnvNoqkCkkZuCJfAnx9xCDEQCg64F5yiF7Uo9n/aoED7l8YfQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620159780; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=W136QvC0jpKzR5C6QdWXNPq4G+CSOW6NhfQrjIs81YES9LADdYboPDAKvW5GARBobwn9n2 0eVR4hu3Ojz2yBPvnweiK9z668he56IOaXEDGSrV0/wQ/+o0sHgo3Vn5JWS1DjF4V1Z3gr jKYyA6+mndCb8/ZbTX/+9zYKYzo/vkT7ucYbUOEBP55TrpLhXNfKviCtfdKuQ2KLsxGGcm PQEpfoUW2IguI8bv8/CFquF3XlrXP0K7arPJNgxL0wHZI/O+KpR6pzfq/LhZ4boJ3Ey6Z7 RO9ZgQmyQ3W/iA5okpSoY7keCi3Z1JgvEhg1oy9ilywxUzMkq2rORU/46qm2gw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.96 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D7A501B04C X-Spam-Score: -0.96 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: B0HiecvacF9i "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:59 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: >> Is the default \cite{key} command (without any other package) used? I'm >> not sure we should provide it since we are working towards more complete >> solutions. > > Not ATM. > > The table only has suggested mappings for natbib, biblatex, and > citeproc-el/org, though Eric was wondering about adding also one for > standard latex. I meant: is it useful to even mention it? Is it used at all when other more complete solutions exist? >> AFAIU, the idea is to use styles from you wiki. However, sub-styles are >> not mentioned. > > I just have the note they are a good idea, but wasn't sure on details. OK. Let's go for the verbose path. >> They could be "full" for the starred variants, "caps" for >> the capitalized ones, and "alt" for those without parenthesis, so one >> could write: >> >> [cite/text/alt/full/caps:...] (in any order) >> >> and obtain >> >> \Citealt*{...} > > I'll add them to the wiki page. > > It did occur to me that ideally users could customize what the default > command is. My choices for natbib and biblatex defaults are I think > defensible, but some may disagree. Customizing default command is the point of the third parameter in "cite_export" keyword. When using: #+cite_export: natbib harvard text [cite:...] is equivalent to [cite/text: ...] So the processor must choose a default value, but the user may choose another one. Regards,