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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1635193452; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=APBNgd45RIO1FeAT43G4fJ1n5YpLyFwZwzMusBnT3NA=; b=bWwa2sLtKSSAi6Myrl+l/PnlTvER4aaicu6kE43p1BDEra+xy/fx1w9QJEt1capBV10824 853ejvK/CzHVDe1JB/3ChfQ9AsFCZX5656eprm1AYdBz6/mfRI1qq7LW1g0JoXUDy5yCHH fnT88xmw/HX4P6/ln2OiZXV/HCFf/OXThPpOAYpIYxv0N+wvQL0IzHcXxKMyocX9u7btjO cRKbsk9WnYhv3Fbc0MoU06MLu8Zsqv32JtHWhtwSOxchoPNFq/ZgBsJJvwnmHRImsbOX92 WBrbpAd8Hro/2EdbG5aNhM3J85laQxiDXypJMi0oHRUgnuQAw9+RX+iwQAjySg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1635193452; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=jfeYGBnYKq6JGcEBVMJ8D86kUOcRVsoyU5ha7hhnahjJQfG79SmpDMmLg2oXjle12lK42Y KZOVu/RiBbZQ74VZdKThn8WfhpsUdISnHDu20TtZTCp+Y+RQlZpdl4/cCTmln099T2pXVw 2kb4tQMx+qusEl8l5/0QmlWtI339DxpwqPP5PVijoZ/1JP9jg9ZHuieH4tXWDbkbJxPePK 4Lu5G4BsiwhPdi2OIqbvWZDrcafiESkvzE3p1yDbsP/BqgqRM1TSBOJmmnowjv0NEUUawj MK21SfdAOxYW3mBeLS/6FrWqGxICEmYpi6i+4wyWSAcs30Vb2w0LTBnyYKASqA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.96 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=mat.ucm.es (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1A45A2BA40 X-Spam-Score: -0.96 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 4SOOvH5vUuYE >>> "MN" == Max Nikulin writes: > On 25/10/2021 21:21, Uwe Brauer wrote: >> org-submit-bug-report sends an email to the org-mode mailing list. >> It >> turns out, that if you attach a file and later display that message on >> gmane, as I do in order to keep my email traffic in moderate numbers, >> then gmane might block that attachment. Thanks for your detailed answer > I do not see your attachment on news.gmane.io as well, but it is a > rare problem. Mostly attachments are received correctly. Moreover, a > part of your message is truncated. I am unsure whether there is some > limit for message size or parser was confused by excessive white > spaces (unsure whether the message was fully conformant). Anyway, size > of "current state" part tells that it is unlikely *minimal* example > that you tested with "emacs -Q". Even the part received by gmane has > size of almost 300k. Right, it was not produced my emacs -Q my bad. Sorry. >> Now GNU emacs has a bug tracker what can be accessed via debbugs-org and >> there this problem does not appear. >> The org mailing list does have a similar bug tracker which is a bit >> of >> problem with such a workflow. > Attachment is available on > https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87a6j02qf0.fsf@mat.ucm.es/ > so I do not see any problem. Likely nobody explicitly confirmed your > bug, so it did not appear on https://updates.orgmode.org/ On the other > hand, a patch appeared quickly enough, so reasons to complain are > unclear for me. That is not entirely true, Kevin, said he could not see my attachment and quickly produced a minimal example himself, that confirmed my bug. https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87pmrupu0s.fsf@gmail.com/ (His message was the reason to bring up that subject) >> Of course an alternative would be to CC the bug report to the GNU emacs >> list since org mode is also in the GNU emacs tree, but I am not sure >> whether this is a good idea. > I am unsure to which list you are going to send a copy. Emacs-orgmode > is hosted on gnu.org just as other emacs lists. To bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org That one I can access via debbugs-org That function seems a good compromise: it does not require to be subscribed to the list, and it does not suffer from gmane's problem. When I call debbugs-org I do not see my bug, are you saying I should? > > Besides lists.gnu.org > it is archived on public inbox instances and these archives were able > to parse your message. For issues filed through debbugs.gnu.org > latency is often higher that for ones sent directly to this list. > Are there evidences that it was not a rare case when an attachments > from a messages generated by org-submit-bug-report was lost by gmane > and change of workflow is really required? Well one thing I learned is to stick to emacs -Q strictly, but I would like to know whether debbugs-org could access this bug?