Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Peter Westlake]

Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen and
what in fact did happen.  You don't know hoe to make a good report?  See

     http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's a plain-text view of my agenda that shows the problem:

  meta:       TODO Report invisible scheduled items
  [[foo][test]]:TODO Get layout right when category is a link

Because the link is displayed as "test" in the link face,
it is only four characters long, so it should have seven
spaces after it.

(Aside: I wondered if this might be simple enough for me
 to fix it myself. Turns out not :-)

Peter.

Emacs  : GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.12)
 of 2009-07-30 on elegiac, modified by Debian
Package: Org-mode version 6.30

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Peter,

links in categories are not supported......

- Carsten

On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:

>
> Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen and
> what in fact did happen.  You don't know hoe to make a good report?   
> See
>
>     http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback
>
> Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Here's a plain-text view of my agenda that shows the problem:
>
>  meta:       TODO Report invisible scheduled items
>  [[foo][test]]:TODO Get layout right when category is a link
>
> Because the link is displayed as "test" in the link face,
> it is only four characters long, so it should have seven
> spaces after it.
>
> (Aside: I wondered if this might be simple enough for me
> to fix it myself. Turns out not :-)
>
> Peter.
>
> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.12)
> of 2009-07-30 on elegiac, modified by Debian
> Package: Org-mode version 6.30
>
>
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Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Peter Westlake]

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:50 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> links in categories are not supported......

The thing is, they ever so nearly *are* supported: they are fontified as
links, and they work if you click on them or type C-c o. The only thing
that isn't quite right is this small cosmetic matter of the missing
spaces.

Having a link as a category is very useful, because categories have
meaning and the link can take you to it. Most of mine are links to bug
reports or feature requests, for instance.

Peter.

> - Carsten
> 
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
> 
> >
> > Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen and
> > what in fact did happen.  You don't know hoe to make a good report?   
> > See
> >
> >     http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback
> >
> > Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Here's a plain-text view of my agenda that shows the problem:
> >
> >  meta:       TODO Report invisible scheduled items
> >  [[foo][test]]:TODO Get layout right when category is a link
> >
> > Because the link is displayed as "test" in the link face,
> > it is only four characters long, so it should have seven
> > spaces after it.
> >
> > (Aside: I wondered if this might be simple enough for me
> > to fix it myself. Turns out not :-)
> >
> > Peter.
> >
> > Emacs  : GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.12)
> > of 2009-07-30 on elegiac, modified by Debian
> > Package: Org-mode version 6.30
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
> 

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Carsten Dominik]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:50 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> links in categories are not supported......
>
> The thing is, they ever so nearly *are* supported: they are  
> fontified as
> links, and they work if you click on them or type C-c o. The only  
> thing
> that isn't quite right is this small cosmetic matter of the missing
> spaces.
>
> Having a link as a category is very useful, because categories have
> meaning and the link can take you to it. Most of mine are links to bug
> reports or feature requests, for instance.

But TAB on the entry will get you there as well, right?

- Carsten

>
> Peter.
>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen  
>>> and
>>> what in fact did happen.  You don't know hoe to make a good report?
>>> See
>>>
>>>    http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback
>>>
>>> Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Here's a plain-text view of my agenda that shows the problem:
>>>
>>> meta:       TODO Report invisible scheduled items
>>> [[foo][test]]:TODO Get layout right when category is a link
>>>
>>> Because the link is displayed as "test" in the link face,
>>> it is only four characters long, so it should have seven
>>> spaces after it.
>>>
>>> (Aside: I wondered if this might be simple enough for me
>>> to fix it myself. Turns out not :-)
>>>
>>> Peter.
>>>
>>> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version  
>>> 2.12.12)
>>> of 2009-07-30 on elegiac, modified by Debian
>>> Package: Org-mode version 6.30
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Peter Westlake]

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:12 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:50 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
> > <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Peter,
> >>
> >> links in categories are not supported......
> >
> > The thing is, they ever so nearly *are* supported: they are
> > fontified as links, and they work if you click on them or type C-c
> > o. The only thing that isn't quite right is this small cosmetic
> >    matter of the missing spaces.
> >
> > Having a link as a category is very useful, because categories have
> > meaning and the link can take you to it. Most of mine are links to
> > bug reports or feature requests, for instance.
>
> But TAB on the entry will get you there as well, right?

TAB in the agenda takes me to the entry, TAB in the entry opens it up,
and all of those things work properly. Click, ENTER, or C-c o in the
category column of the agenda will follow the link if the category text
contains one. All of that works properly too.

To clarify, my second paragraph there was just saying how useful links
are in categories. It isn't part of the bug report. That's just about
missing spaces.

You said that links aren't supported in categories, but for a feature
that isn't supported, they work very well! In what sense are they not
supported?

I use categories like this:

,----
| * PROJECT Implement BUG-1234, allow users to upload files
|   :PROPERTIES:
|   :CATEGORY: [[http://example.com/bugtracker/1234][BUG-1234]]
|   :ORDERED: t
|   :END:
| ** DONE Design uploader UI
| ** TODO Implement authentication
| ** TODO Write a form for directory navigation
| ...etc...
`----

Then the global TODO list (C-c a t) shows this as:

,----
| BUG-1234:TODO Implement authentication
`----

Where "BUG-1234" is a link that takes me to the bug tracker URL. Except
that the layout is a bit wrong:

,----
| plaintext:  TODO Item with a plain text category
| BUG-1234:TODO Implement authentication
| plaintext:  TODO Item with a plain text category
`----

There should be some spaces after the colon on the second line,
"BUG-1234:   TODO", so it lines up with the other entries.

Regards,

Peter.

> - Carsten
>
> >
> > Peter.
> >
> >> - Carsten
> >>
> >> On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen
> >>> and what in fact did happen.  You don't know hoe to make a good
> >>> report? See
> >>>
> >>>    http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback
> >>>
> >>> Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ------
> >>>
> >>> Here's a plain-text view of my agenda that shows the problem:
> >>>
> >>> meta:       TODO Report invisible scheduled items
> >>> [[foo][test]]:TODO Get layout right when category is a link
> >>>
> >>> Because the link is displayed as "test" in the link face, it
> >>> is only four characters long, so it should have seven spaces
> >>> after it.
> >>>
> >>> (Aside: I wondered if this might be simple enough for me to fix it
> >>> myself. Turns out not :-)
> >>>
> >>> Peter.
> >>>
> >>> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
> >>> 2.12.12)of 2009-07-30 on elegiac, modified by Debian Package: Org-
> >>>         mode version 6.30
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send
> >>> replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
> >>
>

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Carsten Dominik]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:

>
> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:12 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:50 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
>>> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>
>>>> links in categories are not supported......
>>>
>>> The thing is, they ever so nearly *are* supported: they are
>>> fontified as links, and they work if you click on them or type C-c
>>> o. The only thing that isn't quite right is this small cosmetic
>>>   matter of the missing spaces.
>>>
>>> Having a link as a category is very useful, because categories have
>>> meaning and the link can take you to it. Most of mine are links to
>>> bug reports or feature requests, for instance.
>>
>> But TAB on the entry will get you there as well, right?
>
> TAB in the agenda takes me to the entry, TAB in the entry opens it up,
> and all of those things work properly. Click, ENTER, or C-c o in the
> category column of the agenda will follow the link if the category  
> text
> contains one. All of that works properly too.
>
> To clarify, my second paragraph there was just saying how useful links
> are in categories. It isn't part of the bug report. That's just about
> missing spaces.
>
> You said that links aren't supported in categories, but for a feature
> that isn't supported, they work very well! In what sense are they not
> supported?

They are not supported in the sense that I never have tried to make
them work as links.  It is pure "accident" that they are activated
as links, because there is a function running through to activate
links that are in headlines, and by accident the regexp search
matches in the prefix as well.

They are not supported in the way that I guarantee them to continue to
work in future versions.

Unless this thread convinces me otherwise, of course.  I can now
see that they can be useful as a connection to an anchestor of the  
entry....

- Carsten


>
> I use categories like this:
>
> ,----
> | * PROJECT Implement BUG-1234, allow users to upload files
> |   :PROPERTIES:
> |   :CATEGORY: [[http://example.com/bugtracker/1234][BUG-1234]]
> |   :ORDERED: t
> |   :END:
> | ** DONE Design uploader UI
> | ** TODO Implement authentication
> | ** TODO Write a form for directory navigation
> | ...etc...
> `----
>
> Then the global TODO list (C-c a t) shows this as:
>
> ,----
> | BUG-1234:TODO Implement authentication
> `----
>
> Where "BUG-1234" is a link that takes me to the bug tracker URL.  
> Except
> that the layout is a bit wrong:
>
> ,----
> | plaintext:  TODO Item with a plain text category
> | BUG-1234:TODO Implement authentication
> | plaintext:  TODO Item with a plain text category
> `----
>
> There should be some spaces after the colon on the second line,
> "BUG-1234:   TODO", so it lines up with the other entries.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter.
>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>>
>>> Peter.
>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen
>>>>> and what in fact did happen.  You don't know hoe to make a good
>>>>> report? See
>>>>>
>>>>>   http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback
>>>>>
>>>>> Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a plain-text view of my agenda that shows the problem:
>>>>>
>>>>> meta:       TODO Report invisible scheduled items
>>>>> [[foo][test]]:TODO Get layout right when category is a link
>>>>>
>>>>> Because the link is displayed as "test" in the link face, it
>>>>> is only four characters long, so it should have seven spaces
>>>>> after it.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Aside: I wondered if this might be simple enough for me to fix it
>>>>> myself. Turns out not :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
>>>>> 2.12.12)of 2009-07-30 on elegiac, modified by Debian Package: Org-
>>>>>        mode version 6.30
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send
>>>>> replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>>
>>

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Sebastian Rose]

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>> You said that links aren't supported in categories, but for a feature
>> that isn't supported, they work very well! In what sense are they not
>> supported?
>
> They are not supported in the sense that I never have tried to make
> them work as links.  It is pure "accident" that they are activated
> as links, because there is a function running through to activate
> links that are in headlines, and by accident the regexp search
> matches in the prefix as well.
>
> They are not supported in the way that I guarantee them to continue to
> work in future versions.
>
> Unless this thread convinces me otherwise, of course.  I can now
> see that they can be useful as a connection to an anchestor of the entry....


I found this case extremely useful:


>> ,----
>> | * PROJECT Implement BUG-1234, allow users to upload files
>> |   :PROPERTIES:
>> |   :CATEGORY: [[http://example.com/bugtracker/1234][BUG-1234]]
>> |   :ORDERED: t
>> |   :END:
>> | ...etc...
>> `----
>>
>> Then the global TODO list (C-c a t) shows this as:
>>
>> ,----
>> | BUG-1234:TODO Implement authentication
>> `----
>>
>> Where "BUG-1234" is a link that takes me to the bug tracker URL.


Wow, that way categories start to make sense. As for me, it's not the
category, it's just the chance to go to some other place from agenda,
but the entry itself.  This could convince me to start to use categories
:)



  Sebastian

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Peter Westlake]

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:56 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:12 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
> > <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
...
> > You said that links aren't supported in categories, but for a feature
> > that isn't supported, they work very well! In what sense are they not
> > supported?
> 
> They are not supported in the sense that I never have tried to make
> them work as links.  It is pure "accident" that they are activated
> as links, because there is a function running through to activate
> links that are in headlines, and by accident the regexp search
> matches in the prefix as well.
>
> They are not supported in the way that I guarantee them to continue to
> work in future versions.
> 
> Unless this thread convinces me otherwise, of course.  I can now
> see that they can be useful as a connection to an anchestor of the  
> entry....

Well, I would be in favour of that - as you may have guessed!
It's very convenient to have the link always be there without
having to put it into every entry.

Peter.

P.S. Apologies if you get two copies of this - X crashed while I was
sending it.

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Carsten Dominik]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:

>
> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:56 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:12 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
>>> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
> ...
>>> You said that links aren't supported in categories, but for a  
>>> feature
>>> that isn't supported, they work very well! In what sense are they  
>>> not
>>> supported?
>>
>> They are not supported in the sense that I never have tried to make
>> them work as links.  It is pure "accident" that they are activated
>> as links, because there is a function running through to activate
>> links that are in headlines, and by accident the regexp search
>> matches in the prefix as well.
>>
>> They are not supported in the way that I guarantee them to continue  
>> to
>> work in future versions.
>>
>> Unless this thread convinces me otherwise, of course.  I can now
>> see that they can be useful as a connection to an anchestor of the
>> entry....
>
> Well, I would be in favour of that - as you may have guessed!
> It's very convenient to have the link always be there without
> having to put it into every entry.

OK then. [1]

The prefix is now formatted properly, and C-c C-o gives
also access to this link.

- Carsten

[1] I watched Raising Arizona yesterday night.....

>
> Peter.
>
> P.S. Apologies if you get two copies of this - X crashed while I was
> sending it.

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Peter Westlake]

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:19 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> The prefix is now formatted properly, and C-c C-o gives
> also access to this link.

Excellent! Thank you very much!

Peter.

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Peter Westlake]

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:44 +0100, "Peter Westlake"
<peter.westlake@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:19 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > The prefix is now formatted properly, and C-c C-o gives
> > also access to this link.
> 
> Excellent! Thank you very much!

One small thing, though - in the agenda TODO view, pressing "t" to mark
the task as Done messes up the layout:  

  [[http://orgmode.org][Org-Mode]]:   TODO Demonstrate problem with link
  in category

(which appears as:

  Org-Mode:   TODO Demonstrate problem with link in category)


Press T on that line:

  [[http://orgmode.org][Org-Mode]]:   TODO Demonstrate problemDONE
  Demonstrate problem with link in category

(which appears as:

  Org-Mode:   TODO Demonstrate problemDONE Demonstrate problem with link
  in category)

Regards,

Peter.

Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Carsten Dominik]

Fixed, thanks.

- Carsten

On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:44 +0100, "Peter Westlake"
> <peter.westlake@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:19 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
>> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The prefix is now formatted properly, and C-c C-o gives
>>> also access to this link.
>>
>> Excellent! Thank you very much!
>
> One small thing, though - in the agenda TODO view, pressing "t" to  
> mark
> the task as Done messes up the layout:
>
> [[http://orgmode.org][Org-Mode]]:   TODO Demonstrate problem with link
> in category
>
> (which appears as:
>
> Org-Mode:   TODO Demonstrate problem with link in category)
>
>
> Press T on that line:
>
> [[http://orgmode.org][Org-Mode]]:   TODO Demonstrate problemDONE
> Demonstrate problem with link in category
>
> (which appears as:
>
> Org-Mode:   TODO Demonstrate problemDONE Demonstrate problem with link
> in category)
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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Re: Org-mode version 6.30; Links in categories break layout

[Peter Westlake]

Excellent, thank you!

Peter.

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:10 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fixed, thanks.
> 
> - Carsten
> 
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Peter Westlake wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:44 +0100, "Peter Westlake"
> > <peter.westlake@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:19 +0200, "Carsten Dominik"
> >> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The prefix is now formatted properly, and C-c C-o gives
> >>> also access to this link.
> >>
> >> Excellent! Thank you very much!
> >
> > One small thing, though - in the agenda TODO view, pressing "t" to  
> > mark
> > the task as Done messes up the layout:
> >
> > [[http://orgmode.org][Org-Mode]]:   TODO Demonstrate problem with link
> > in category
> >
> > (which appears as:
> >
> > Org-Mode:   TODO Demonstrate problem with link in category)
> >
> >
> > Press T on that line:
> >
> > [[http://orgmode.org][Org-Mode]]:   TODO Demonstrate problemDONE
> > Demonstrate problem with link in category
> >
> > (which appears as:
> >
> > Org-Mode:   TODO Demonstrate problemDONE Demonstrate problem with link
> > in category)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>