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From: Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>
To: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]")
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:22:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874lju6tap.fsf@bzg.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 871seyp6fr.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr

Hi Nicolas,

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

> Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Again, I may be wrong in thinking disabling this will cause trouble to
>> many users.  Let's just take a moment to see what users think.
>
> It will case trouble during the time necessary to read ORG-NEWS
> incompatible changes section or ask the mailing list, and then adding
> (require 'org-tempo) to their configuration file.

I wish I'd be as optimistic as you are and assume every user reads
ORG-NEWS!  I seriously doubt a majority of users do.  Those installing
Org from ELPA cannot possibly know where to find ORG-NEWS, Org gives
no indication where it lives: IOW, it's not even because users are
lazy or what.

> It seems nonsensical to let Org handle expansion templates. Dedicated
> packages do it way better than what we provide, and the task is really
> out of our scope.

I can't remember anybody complaining Org's expansion mechanism.

> Worse, we would provide two different ways to expand blocks /by
> default/.

I see it differently.  You and Rasmus (and those participating to the
discussion) cleanly separated two functionalities: one is to *insert*
templates the other one is to *expand* them.

M-x org-insert-structure-template RET is good for discovery as it lets
users see what templates are availables and <[KEY][TAB] is good for
fast inline expansion.

Both complete each other IMO, and both deserve to be in Org's core.

But again, I might be wrong, I just don't want this to be a discussion
between us two :)

-- 
 Bastien

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-29 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-29 10:24 [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]") Bastien
2018-04-29 10:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-04-29 11:05   ` Bastien
2018-04-29 12:01     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-04-29 13:22       ` Bastien [this message]
2018-04-29 17:40         ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-04-29 20:56           ` Bastien
2018-04-29 22:05             ` Tim Cross
2018-04-29 22:31               ` Bastien
2018-04-29 22:27         ` Tim Cross
2018-04-29 23:03           ` Bastien
2018-04-30 10:29             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-04-30 14:03               ` Kevin Foley
2018-04-30 14:17                 ` Kevin Foley
2018-05-05 17:20                 ` Rasmus
2018-05-02 12:43             ` Bernt Hansen
2018-05-08  6:23               ` Bastien
2018-05-05 17:17             ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  6:27               ` Bastien
2018-05-01 15:49           ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-01 19:31             ` Eric S Fraga
2018-05-02  9:10             ` Rasmus Pank Roulund
2018-05-02 17:12               ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-05 17:29                 ` Rasmus
2018-05-06 20:02                   ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-07 22:53                     ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  0:57                       ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08  6:56                         ` Bastien
2018-05-21 14:24                         ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  6:52                   ` Bastien
2018-05-21 14:19                     ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  6:49                 ` Smooth transition for modules (was: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]")) Bastien
2018-05-08  9:26                   ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08  9:46                     ` Smooth transition for modules Bastien
2018-05-08 13:28                       ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08  6:34             ` [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]") Bastien
2018-04-30  8:47         ` Eric S Fraga
2018-05-08  8:37       ` Bastien
2018-04-29 13:24     ` Christian Moe
2018-04-29 13:55     ` Charles Millar
2018-04-29 19:08     ` Diego Zamboni
2018-04-29 20:30       ` Rasmus
2018-04-29 20:44       ` Bastien
2018-04-29 23:32     ` Bernt Hansen
2018-05-02 20:24       ` Bernt Hansen
2018-05-03  9:44         ` Carsten Dominik
2018-05-03 13:30           ` William Denton
2018-05-04  7:34             ` Neil Jerram
2018-05-04  7:45               ` Bastien
2018-05-05  1:37                 ` Samuel Wales
2018-05-05  2:16                   ` Tim Cross
2018-05-05  2:28                     ` Samuel Wales
2018-05-05  2:37                       ` Tim Cross
2018-05-05 12:42                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-05-05 17:33                     ` Rasmus
2018-05-01 11:57     ` Nick Helm
2018-04-29 20:25   ` Rasmus
2018-04-29 21:53     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-05-02  9:03       ` Rasmus
2018-04-30 16:36 ` Steve Downey
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-04-29 15:06 Jon Snader
2018-04-30 20:37 ` Richard Lawrence
2018-04-30 20:46   ` Peter Dewey Ore
2018-04-30 21:33     ` Michael Gauland
2018-04-30 21:46   ` Jon Snader
2018-04-30 22:25     ` Tim Cross
2018-04-30 22:35       ` Cook, Malcolm
2018-04-30 22:39       ` Jon Snader
2018-04-30 22:49         ` Kaushal Modi
2018-05-01  1:29           ` Alan Tyree
2018-05-01 14:07             ` Christophe Schockaert
2018-05-01  2:00         ` Tim Cross
2018-05-01  2:27           ` Steve Downey
2018-05-01 12:35             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-05-01 16:28               ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-05 18:07                 ` Rasmus
2018-05-06 20:34                   ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-06 22:11                     ` Tim Cross
2018-05-07 22:30                     ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  0:25                       ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08  7:36                         ` Bastien
2018-05-13 20:52                         ` Rasmus
2018-05-01 16:54               ` Cook, Malcolm
2018-05-05 18:01               ` Rasmus
2018-05-06  5:00                 ` Carsten Dominik
2018-05-07 22:33                   ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  7:37                 ` Bastien
2018-05-21 14:35                   ` Rasmus
2018-05-05 23:26               ` Adrian Bradd
2018-05-05 23:37                 ` Josiah Schwab
2018-05-08  7:31               ` Bastien

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