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[106.69.124.219]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o188sm9723630pfb.102.2021.02.21.19.33.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:33:32 -0800 (PST) References: <8735xpgap0.fsf@gmail.com> <678485.1613962105@apollo2.minshall.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.5.8; emacs 27.1.91 From: Tim Cross To: Greg Minshall Subject: Re: 'false' list item Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:26:03 +1100 In-reply-to: <678485.1613962105@apollo2.minshall.org> Message-ID: <874ki47p4m.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::636; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x636.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.07 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=mBe8Zvpt; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C62F31DA07 X-Spam-Score: -3.07 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: IIX7f70zDPgK Greg Minshall writes: > Tim, > >> If a line starts with a number, period and space, but that line is >> within a paragraph (i.e. no blank line above), then I don't think it >> should be interpreted as an enumerated list item. If this is what the OP >> is referring to, I would argue it is a bug. If it is a 'paragraph' >> starting with a number, period and space, then being interpreted as a >> list item would be 'normal'. > > i know this isn't precisely the discussion, but i use *unnumbered* > lists, and i most often have no blank line separating the list from the > paragraph above (or, indeed, below). i could get used to a modified > requirement, to reduce the false positives, but, would want heads up > (or, maybe, sigh, an option?). > There is no plans to change anything as far as I know. What I wrote was mainly to show why we have the situation and that any proposed solution has its own drawbacks. Bottom line, we cannot easily prevent the 'false' list item issue without introducing either other issues or adding some additional syntax to indicate list items, which defeats the 'plain' aspects which many appreciate in org. Even the proposed 'solutions' still suffer from false positives. The question is probably, how can we 'flag' possible false positives in a convenient manner. For example, it has been suggested that some form of highlighting for list elements might make it easier to spot a false element lurking in a paragraph of text. this could possibly be useful, but I also worry about adding more font-locking and highlighting due to the potential to degrade performance further. We already have people running into issue with performance in large org files. -- Tim Cross