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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: , Gyro Funch , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Timothy Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641913340; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=1Rr3uX91GDU7eEdkE/WahGUWJtS5RoBVRTrRY8OFByY=; b=vDZTbsgPHzaiGmUQfFTtYAx3TTnaHPjN4lpQU6duUEQ8UnukL8azah0a9eO4gyLUINWwbb BNdtedexYGMFjYARdx+Q/s4HCEZ47myDaEUMVG4nAMgCAd0zGF1+a2zAW7UbD4kYfjPjSX r3xXQ7tef/ArdjnbAFlorKk2XOQlqXTqIdYsKsBPSjB7FfPSkjn5zJQLwZmzo21wQ3YnSY 7fWj0lqCd+cVWmkqc3xYH3TzETqmuxPWkibNZLy3gg+gFnspVq6enhvdnriQWV8n6n5TGe cXuokrtfnCBir0/klrXKhL40srFVuk2l/XdY5N83vWl9AdhFRbdRf9Koy+HvHg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641913340; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Rn1pC9ZBe+uBpYYcHpLJIe2HWO2g+x2BaCUQTwZ9sJrwV23/HNd8q+1Ft3Gry8+2hMkIvk OdAbei/1EFkoostG4rgamxOZHwZ6xH+NG6DAI93eaeoVMLTNYRQn7u/ux4aCnkJAMkaBdf 3FydtkN+E2hOB+aUcaKCoM7CxFcTp1alT1Yy5J1MRS3p/7EvVr7hXwMIhk8XOgy56/giQc lxdS6lgiIWtKFQDIYLsupo8iizeiXDz+VRyhIIKX3MfqUr7NWlvbMrdVOhA4p/NpMrTHR5 J5d3mW3aStDPu209Cf+GNYSGjb4ADbHhcHhTDWiKKu3xXjAWg9K8bkGHiU1tmA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b=ohPMeHuh; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=yandex.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.31 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b=ohPMeHuh; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=yandex.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5788012875 X-Spam-Score: -3.31 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 2eNKOK/3Kgk6 >>>>> Ihor Radchenko writes: > Colin Baxter =F0=9F=98=BA writes: >> What is the point of changing a default? Users can change to >> whatever they like, but a default is a default - i.e. remains >> fixed. Why a particular default arose belongs to peculiarities of >> history. Do people really want to revisit this year after year? >> The value of a default is irrelevant: what is important is that >> it does not change, once it is chosen, without some very good >> reason. I have not seen that reason in this particular case. The >> arguments of consistency are ephemeral. > For some more context, other functions are not really consistent > about uppercase/lowercase: - =3Dorg-insert-structure-template=3D > lowercase - =3Dorg-insert-drawer=3D uppercase - > =3Dorg-insert-property-drawer=3D uppercase - > =3Dorg-babel-exp-code-template=3D defaults to uppercase - > =3Dorg-clock-find-position=3D defaults to uppercase :END: - > =3Dorg-feed-write-status=3D defaults to uppercase - > =3Dorg-inlinetask-insert-task=3D defaults to uppercase - > =3Dorg-mobile-write-agenda-for-mobile=3D defaults to uppercase - > =3Dorg-babel-examplify-region=3D lowercase > I just looked for END vs end. > So, unless there is overwhelming support for changing uppercase > defaults into lowercase and a thorough patch, I am inclined > towards preserving the existing behaviour. Agreed. > Changing just RESULTS keyword provides no benefit to making things > consistent. Agreed. Best - Colin