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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656403430; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=e4aiVhvJu6/989iquwOQbEUiCTr7flXC4DqtAGkGdKI=; b=rDB9fxKFowzYZSE+o/EiGiBaD5bwxmHahO8xICTaGhq2QVtIqD5vxT7VyEZP1q6Sif2nmn igGf6bx+NL7yyHTzAhV2Yof43Rj7SdKWp9QeJkgU0W3QW9KmGjRcycY3po4BTjW3T9Kdio bE3ryvX2K7MMdcLWJW2xCdcNjcvUfGfqdYwveksWyIfW+fJfLZ5M6rQFW5iEBQp8dKzJSj ccJWRUw5BAMyXsqEKK8efK7U9UdNTJJHll20ffStJ+mdi2BB6GLjBFzlEfRhMapya++n18 zCVM322M65/4GswEmhTLSSTIlvnGZ6ocL/JZ3KdRWa4SF88DJR48LVnMVWdq0Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656403430; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=V8JAdTCDNTXgQjsDf6rO1dRSTzfbKlTPuIJi9fbmxBEfz96LcLo2H+R6E4TzYupcNCAy1X lMQrYX+FOT/pxO3I8uh6QM7Ld8LdyxDrtwkOcw5OZnkQ42HNvbU6AVGckPs1EW2fSxxvO2 aXEcPeNt1XLPzC47XMI+lCaUIC3HmbXU1Cui4fpYozRVzT8m7JZvLyRDAsn6UQX87YHieQ fEs8nMw0JjKk7ArIlnL7b6q3XjxJeC+10K1/TYJhtjQEXqO9+HYq/n8QJRRVN3/c56cBuO L6NZ3gkX2254tcIeUaX1HKgAw1NY+pnzDsRZFdqnrC+0SS7J8j18SMjOjsMXKw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=F4n4gIjb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.95 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=F4n4gIjb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6C94E299F3 X-Spam-Score: -7.95 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: OYlfFlLwuKoa --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > AFAIU, there are no nonfree payment services, except some crypto > > payments. > > In Europe, at least, there is bank transfer. If you go to a bank > branch, I think, you can do transfers to someone else's account without > running any particular software. This is becoming harder and harder, because banks push everyone to use onlinebanking =E2=80=94 with non-free apps and non-free Javascript. And it = costs money: A bank transfer by going to the branch is nowadays more expensive than the amount people usually donate per month. > > So, does what you say imply that GNU packages should not provide any > > donation options, except crypto (via free payment software)? > > Yes, sad to say they should not directly offer donation methods. So they should rather link to liberapay, so it is not a direct offer? After the initial setup liberapay usually does the automatic renewal, so it is not necessary to interact with non-free Javascript after the initial setup. That=E2=80=99s not perfect, but much better than PayPal. https://liberapay.com/about/payment-processors > The FSF manages to accept credit card donations without making donors > run nonfree software. But it is not easy to arrange that. And it does not work for many people in Europe (I for example have no credit card). 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