From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:51:05 +0100 Message-ID: <871ud9ir2e.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <87ham6wbwx.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87622mkzti.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87pq0tzrk0.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50729) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tyf0E-0004Pt-E2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:51:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tyf07-0000ew-Gw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:51:14 -0500 Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]:36595) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tyf07-0000ek-AJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:51:07 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id o1so105259wic.12 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:51:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87pq0tzrk0.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (Achim Gratz's message of "Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:48:31 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Achim Gratz writes: > Bastien writes: >> I already suggested to *not* use ELPA at all for now. > > I happen to think that this suggestion goes too far (if you think nobody > should use OIrg from ELPA, then you'd need to stop making it available > there and hopefully we already agreed that this isn't an option). No, we did not agreed this isn't an option. I think this is an option. > There > is actually no problem with ELPA when you install Org from it before > you've used Org (it wasn't designed to cope with any other situation). > In most cases that means simply using a fresh Emacs instance to install > Org from ELPA is good enough. In those cases where Org is loaded during > initialization (and systems doing that really shouldn't do this before > package-initialize or else unload any features they have needed), one > can resort to 'emacs -Q' if the package directory has not been changed > from the defaults or '(unload-feature 'org t)' when that would be a > concern. How can you make sure that Org-mode has not been used before people want to install an updated version through GNU/Org ELPA? I can't think of any good way. Until someone have an idea about this, I'm very serious about removing the possibility of installing Org through ELPA. But as I said I won't do this before getting a sense of what the users use and expect. -- Bastien