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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.56 X-Spam-Score: -5.56 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 19D0843777 X-TUID: v9eJgxldCvTu Samuel Wales writes: > thanks for interest. > > the transient menu i am trying uses more character columns and > lines than window (c-u m-x gptel-send). transient's solution > does not work well for me. Just to be 100% clear, existing Org menus will not disappear any time soon. Even if we change menus to transient, I will make sure to leave a customization to switch back. New menus will probably use transient/other external menu UI though. As for your response, I will provide some comments, but I also suggest you to send a bug report to Emacs, so that Jonas has a chance to pay close attention. > 1) wrapping > - 3 text columns. rightmost text column (header: "Response > to") has lines that wrap at rhs (not word) to lhs (not > beginning of that text column), putting lines between items > in first text column. > - (for clarity: by rhs and lhs, i mean where text goes, at > smallest usable font, maximized gui frame, no wm > decoration, one window in frame, 2 fringes) > - BEST SOLUTION FOR ME: wrap at word boundaries, /within each > text column/, as is done when one exports org tables to > html In other words, you need visual-line-mode inside transient buffers. Do I understand correctly? > 2) vertical scrolling > - BEST SOLUTION FOR ME: SPC DEL, as is done in org export > menu > - in transient, SPC and DEL make echo area say ? for help. > ? makes the message go away but nothing else changes. > another ? brings up the help for function gptel-send. > i'd want scrolling. > - transient is vertically scrollable using up down arrows > and c-v m-v, but those are harder on rsi and harder to > locate on my kb than SPC DEL I think you can bind SPC and DEL in `transient-base-map' to make things easier for you. I agree that SPC/DEL doing scrolling are expected from a menu. > - i did not notice that there are lines below window. if > there isn't an indicator, BEST LOCATION FOR ME: left fringe > in cases where fringe exists. How do you usually know it? On my side, there is an indication after I customized (setq-default indicate-buffer-boundaries 'left) > 3) transient does not allow changing font size with > text-scale-increase/decrease (but a smaller font would not be > legible) This sounds like an omission. Again, you can use `transient-base-map' to work around, but it is better to be discussed as a dedicated bug report. > some current org menus, although REALLY GOOD, have possibly > regressed in recent years. in any case, for example, export is > scrollable; todo kw is not, so i cannot access some todo kw. AFAIU, org-fast-todo-selection interface was never scrollable. At least, it looks like it was the case 17 years ago. May I know more details about which exact menu you are talking about and when did scroll stopped working? I may be missing something. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode maintainer, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at