From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id +PYRNjjk42H8PgAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 10:24:08 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id aFeAMzjk42E+HAAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 10:24:08 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E75B150AE for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 10:24:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:60912 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n91lf-0006uh-DB for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 04:24:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44328) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n91l9-0006uX-Fj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 04:23:35 -0500 Received: from mail-out02.uio.no ([129.240.10.71]:55317) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n91l6-0002pG-T3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 04:23:34 -0500 Received: from mail-mx12.uio.no ([129.240.10.84]) by mail-out02.uio.no with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1n91ky-0031PP-L6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 10:23:24 +0100 Received: from [84.209.16.135] (helo=fedora.shmi.ifi.uio.no) by mail-mx12.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user msteffen (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1n91kx-000CdY-Vo; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 10:23:24 +0100 From: Martin Steffen To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Depreciating TeX-style LaTeX fragments Organization: IFI UiO Norway References: <871r1g936z.fsf@gmail.com> <87lezgly20.fsf@gmail.com> <1d89ed13-328b-dd8a-c93d-78c64e8f90c9@posteo.eu> [Gcc: nnfolder+archive:sent.2022-01 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 10:23:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1d89ed13-328b-dd8a-c93d-78c64e8f90c9@posteo.eu> (=?utf-8?Q?=22S=C3=A9bastien?= Miquel"'s message of "Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:08:11 +0000") Message-ID: <86tue4kpa3.fsf@login.ifi.uio.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx12.uio.no: 84.209.16.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=84.209.16.135; envelope-from=msteffen@ifi.uio.no; helo=fedora.shmi.ifi.uio.no; X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, AWL=0.008, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5) X-UiO-Scanned: 8A67BDA9B0D16CE147BE5EF5CBCEE9CD416B389D X-UiOonly: B4170F2D9DD5701988610E142E7B8A76585E3BEF Received-SPF: pass client-ip=129.240.10.71; envelope-from=msteffen@ifi.uio.no; helo=mail-out02.uio.no X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1642325048; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=GvH85Slc/uJJySq+LA3cNSQLKpxW+QhtzVr8mvJre+4=; b=A5Izzo9rs0+vJkXZBypY3P+Gdu+/fKZk0CKfwzLjzKGvyfpSIGDtxvYTNpdUt/027SIlSd Y9teJs7vy9dsXzI/k0Z/FpJk1VzX0EcdbzshkSj+0vjBMSHbaj3Lrl3r+MJtm7yXUP3Orz g29D56+9+ranVxvJkC8A0pF/t3DuGBs6wMcI8DvEHfCx4agwBkFejT55mJVwKRXy4XFoLv XufGqeNwhK/6e38yOKMu12eGe5O9kc2VJ0oR15PWW5KMQkcoiaQSX/y7BMPUXo4IHmBc4N GyhkcclEgOLAF5PaZvahNnIuiWimaegMZPUZTjl2bYoaxGBRpWrfedyDaj7WgA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1642325048; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LGjpPPoK72LGxfXIXf4u2o2tQOJHWiBiM79uAcGRHKT0N1dEyYiU88dm49DY6WHz5nkMfz RL5tFQJVz3gHdEvsubEl1TFfCUMcqP+cMSYDXKF90As2Pu2x6d7UkJBOQ0V2lNGch+/2bw 2glLZdDenOi+QY3/pyfvVAUv652kv6FmiOt33jp7uIZJaKFbbgJ6AFGy7wfO4+fzkpT6hM 0eJDh4xTownRwghAxyLC7qMxdHRYKJe7I8OMU9xhFvSgYfY9O2Kmeceu5lbnFKd+/ZPzze wvr9VYp6hhzamLb4qXRdGvxa94CXlU21HYt0n3sl/Ke8Y2xFQ0vmF8Yxler+5Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.22 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4E75B150AE X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: BMz7pfm5J/2y Hi to add my two cents. I am latex user of _many_ years (as user of emacs + org), and I use it often for math-loaded texts. I do use $ (I actually did not even know that \( \) is (supposed to be) the new way until I saw it generated by org. As for $$ (or \[), I basically don't use it. I use begin/end{displaymath}. I don't care that it's a lot to type in, as I use an editor, that assists me (said emacs ;-) resp. auc-tex mode). I like the keybindings for environments there (and with the usual prefix C-u C-x C-e, one can for instance turn a display-math into an equation, should one decide later). $$ I never used. The display-math simply looks nicer and is better supported by auc-tex in that it uses standard indentation for environments. For me it's likewise important that the text is properly indented, and highlighted, so I can read the source file with easy, while working on it. Also \[ \] does proper indentation, but as said, I got used to C-x C-e and that produces for me displaymath (probably it can be customized, but I am happy with it as is). Martin >>>>> "S=C3=A9bastien" =3D=3D S=C3=A9bastien Miquel writes: S=C3=A9bastien> Hi, S=C3=A9bastien> With respect to readability, I only mean to point out S=C3=A9bastien> that the $=E2=80=A6$ syntax is one less character, and = that the S=C3=A9bastien> \(\) characters are quite overloaded. >> this is a good opportunity to point out that $/$$ are very much >> second class citizens in LaTeX now, no matter what you may see in >> old documents. S=C3=A9bastien> The posts that you quote are 10 years old. As per [0] S=C3=A9bastien> (2020), there will be no LaTeX3. Nor is it only old S=C3=A9bastien> documents that use the $=E2=80=A6$ syntax : looking for= learning S=C3=A9bastien> ressources (see [1]), everything that I find uses S=C3=A9bastien> it. That includes The Not So Short Introduction to LaTeX S=C3=A9bastien> [2] (2021) and S=C3=A9bastien> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics. S=C3=A9bastien> Although I have no evidence of this, my expectation is S=C3=A9bastien> that the majority of tex users use the $=E2=80=A6$ synt= ax (it is S=C3=A9bastien> in fact widely used outside of tex: in most markdown S=C3=A9bastien> flavors and texmacs for example). I also expect that a S=C3=A9bastien> significant proportion of tex users are not aware of the S=C3=A9bastien> \(=E2=80=A6\) syntax. I think here of users that are le= ss tech S=C3=A9bastien> literate than most of this mailing list. S=C3=A9bastien> Regards, S=C3=A9bastien> [0]: S=C3=A9bastien> https://www.latex-project.org/publications/2020-FMi-TUB= -tb128mitt-quovadis.pdf S=C3=A9bastien> [1]: S=C3=A9bastien> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/11/what-are-goo= d-learning-resources-for-a-latex-beginner S=C3=A9bastien> [2]: S=C3=A9bastien> https://ctan.tetaneutral.net/info/lshort/english/lshort= .pdf S=C3=A9bastien> -- S=C3=A9bastien Miquel