From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Noah Slater Subject: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:55:56 +0200 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303ea63428f9a604f675e71c Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60197) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WXBty-0001U3-Kz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:56:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WXBtt-0002YN-Se for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:56:02 -0400 Received: from mail-yh0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c]:63527) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WXBtt-0002Y7-Md for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:55:57 -0400 Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f10so5998279yha.31 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2014 08:55:56 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --20cf303ea63428f9a604f675e71c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm having some issues with org-clock-dosplay. Screenshot here: https://gist.github.com/nslater/10022848 Note: - Times are indented like the nodes, meaning they don't line up. (I presume this is intentional, but I find it annoying. Is there a way to turn it off?) - Everything is highlighted with yellow. Is this intentional? Can I turn it off? - Why are some of the times blue and some white. Can I turn this off? - Why are some of the "..." bits visible (in blue) and invisible (in white for the subnodes) and can I turn these off, or hide them consistently? - Would there be any way to move the black "..." bit meaning "this node can be expanded" to the very left, where it usually is, and then hide the rest? - Why can't I edit node names when this is active? Thanks! Noah --20cf303ea63428f9a604f675e71c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm having some issues with org-clock-dosplay.

Screenshot here:


Note:

- Times are indent= ed like the nodes, meaning they don't line up. (I presume this is inten= tional, but I find it annoying. Is there a way to turn it off?)

- Everything is highlighted with yellow. Is this intentional= ? Can I turn it off?

- Why are some of the times b= lue and some white. Can I turn this off?

- Why are= some of the "..." bits visible (in blue) and invisible (in white= for the subnodes) and can I turn these off, or hide them consistently?

- Would there be any way to move the black "...&qu= ot; bit meaning "this node can be expanded" to the very left, whe= re it usually is, and then hide the rest?

- Why ca= n't I edit node names when this is active?

Thanks!

Noah


--20cf303ea63428f9a604f675e71c-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 10:22:53 +0200 Message-ID: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44648) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wahb5-00062B-HG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 04:23:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wahaz-0004gA-Rz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 04:23:03 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]:49069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wahaz-0004g2-LS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 04:22:57 -0400 Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id z2so2555787wiv.6 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 01:22:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Noah Slater's message of "Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:55:56 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Noah Slater Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Noah, Noah Slater writes: > Note: > > - Times are indented like the nodes, meaning they don't line up. (I > presume this is intentional, but I find it annoying. Is there a way > to turn it off?) Fixed. > - Everything is highlighted with yellow. Is this intentional? Can I > turn it off? M-x customize-face RET org-clock-display RET I changed from yellow to gray. > - Why are some of the times blue and some white. Can I turn this off? Because the face inherited from the headline face. I changed it by specified a foreground. > - Why are some of the "..." bits visible (in blue) and invisible (in > white for the subnodes) and can I turn these off, or hide them > consistently? > > - Would there be any way to move the black "..." bit meaning "this > node can be expanded" to the very left, where it usually is, and then > hide the rest? The "..." folding indicator is always on the right, not sure what you mean. > - Why can't I edit node names when this is active? Because the display is temporary and uses overlays. -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Noah Slater Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:56:11 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b13de9002ea04f73ae103 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WajzM-0007ip-V9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 06:56:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WajzI-0001em-82 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 06:56:16 -0400 Received: from mail-yh0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c01::229]:54765) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WajzI-0001ea-2u for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 06:56:12 -0400 Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i57so190333yha.0 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:56:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --20cf305b13de9002ea04f73ae103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for this! I've seen your comments on the time cookie thread. But I will pull the org-clock-display comments here. So, I have your changes locally, and I have a few comments. A folded node looks like this: * Node........................................ 02:10 ... I was wondering if the "........................................" bit can be hidden. Is there a font face to customise for this? I find it distracting, especially with a big list of folded nodes. The only problem then is: how do I match the times up with the nodes. I guess this is the problem I was trying to solve with the clock cookies. One option would be to highlight the time with a new face when the point is on a node. Not sure about this though. If the above is possible, then would it be possible to move that "..." (after the clock total) to the left-hand side, so that it looks like this: * Node... 02:10 i.e. What it normally looks like. Only with a "02:10" on the right hand side. The only other thing I'd want to change is the alignment of the times. So right now, we have: 2d 18:10 7:30 11:32 (For instance.) It would be great if these could be aligned so that: - The ":" ran down the middle (single column) - The hours were zero padded, so it was "07" and not "7" - There was some padding for days i.e. If there are no days, you add the space necessary so that the clock time aligns with other nodes that have days. Not sure how to calculate this. Perhaps it's possible to calculate the max clock value before display, and pad everything to the width of that. One radical alternative to all of the above: Remove the "..................." stuff. Don't align the times. Just stick them right after the node text, like a cookie. As I say: I am more than happy to actually work on the patches necessary to make these changes On 17 April 2014 10:22, Bastien wrote: > Hi Noah, > > Noah Slater writes: > > > Note: > > > > - Times are indented like the nodes, meaning they don't line up. (I > > presume this is intentional, but I find it annoying. Is there a way > > to turn it off?) > > Fixed. > > > - Everything is highlighted with yellow. Is this intentional? Can I > > turn it off? > > M-x customize-face RET org-clock-display RET > > I changed from yellow to gray. > > > - Why are some of the times blue and some white. Can I turn this off? > > Because the face inherited from the headline face. > I changed it by specified a foreground. > > > - Why are some of the "..." bits visible (in blue) and invisible (in > > white for the subnodes) and can I turn these off, or hide them > > consistently? > > > > - Would there be any way to move the black "..." bit meaning "this > > node can be expanded" to the very left, where it usually is, and then > > hide the rest? > > The "..." folding indicator is always on the right, not sure what you > mean. > > > - Why can't I edit node names when this is active? > > Because the display is temporary and uses overlays. > > -- > Bastien > --20cf305b13de9002ea04f73ae103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for this!

I've seen your com= ments on the time cookie thread. But I will pull the org-clock-display comm= ents here.

So, I have your changes locally, and I = have a few comments.

A folded node looks like this:

* Node........................................ 02:10 ...

I was wondering if the "......................................= .." bit can be hidden. Is there a font face to customise for this? I f= ind it distracting, especially with a big list of folded nodes.

The only problem then is: how do I match the times up w= ith the nodes. I guess this is the problem I was trying to solve with the c= lock cookies.

One option would be to highlight the= time with a new face when the point is on a node. Not sure about this thou= gh.

If the above is possible, then would it be possible to = move that "..." (after the clock total) to the left-hand side, so= that it looks like this:

* Node... =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A002:10

i.e. What it normally looks like. Only with a "02:= 10" on the right hand side.

The only other th= ing I'd want to change is the alignment of the times.

So right now, we have:

2d 18:10
7:30
11:32

(For instance.)
=
It would be great if these could be aligned so that:

- The ":" ran down the middle (single column)=
- The hours were zero padded, so it was "07" and not &= quot;7"
- There was some padding for days

i.e. If there are no days, you add the space necessary so that t= he clock time aligns with other nodes that have days.

<= div>Not sure how to calculate this. Perhaps it's possible to calculate = the max clock value before display, and pad everything to the width of that= .

One radical alternative to all of the above:
=
Remove the "..................." stuff. Don't = align the times. Just stick them right after the node text, like a cookie.<= /div>

As I say: I am more than happy to actually work on the = patches necessary to make these changes


On 17 April 2014 10:22, Bastien <bzg@gnu.o= rg> wrote:
Hi Noah,

Noah Slater <nslater@tumbolia.or= g> writes:

> Note:
>
> - Times are indented like the nodes, meaning they don't line up. (= I
> presume this is intentional, but I find it annoying. Is there a way > to turn it off?)

Fixed.

> - Everything is highlighted with yellow. Is this intentional? Can I > turn it off?

M-x customize-face RET org-clock-display RET

I changed from yellow to gray.

> - Why are some of the times blue and some white. Can I turn this off?<= br>
Because the face inherited from the headline face.
I changed it by specified a foreground.

> - Why are some of the "..." bits visible (in blue) and invis= ible (in
> white for the subnodes) and can I turn these off, or hide them
> consistently?
>
> - Would there be any way to move the black "..." bit meaning= "this
> node can be expanded" to the very left, where it usually is, and = then
> hide the rest?

The "..." folding indicator is always on the right, not sur= e what you
mean.

> - Why can't I edit node names when this is active?

Because the display is temporary and uses overlays.

--
=A0Bastien

--20cf305b13de9002ea04f73ae103-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:12:32 +0200 Message-ID: <8761m82orj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60464) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WakFF-0007Hf-8c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:12:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WakFA-0007uo-DK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:12:41 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]:54056) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WakFA-0007uf-5v for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:12:36 -0400 Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q5so2737740wiv.10 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 04:12:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Noah Slater's message of "Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:56:11 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Noah Slater Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi, Noah Slater writes: > I was wondering if the "........................................" bit > can be hidden. Is there a font face to customise for this? I find it > distracting, especially with a big list of folded nodes. Check latest master: I removed the dots. > The only problem then is: how do I match the times up with the nodes. > I guess this is the problem I was trying to solve with the clock > cookies. > > One option would be to highlight the time with a new face when the > point is on a node. Not sure about this though. > > If the above is possible, then would it be possible to move that > "..." (after the clock total) to the left-hand side, so that it looks > like this: > > * Node...                                      02:10 This cannot be easily achieved, if at all. > The only other thing I'd want to change is the alignment of the > times. > > So right now, we have: > > 2d 18:10 > 7:30 > 11:32 >From master, this should be aligned correctly now. > (For instance.) > > It would be great if these could be aligned so that: > > - The ":" ran down the middle (single column) > - The hours were zero padded, so it was "07" and not "7" Well, not possible. > - There was some padding for days > > i.e. If there are no days, you add the space necessary so that the > clock time aligns with other nodes that have days. Done. > As I say: I am more than happy to actually work on the patches > necessary to make these changes Yep -- please submit a patch for other changes you would like to make. Read http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html twice to format the patches correctly :) -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Noah Slater Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:37:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <8761m82orj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158c41ceb739b04f73b742d Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37087) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WakdI-0008Ky-Hp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:37:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WakdA-0008I4-8K for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:37:32 -0400 Received: from mail-yh0-x230.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c01::230]:36125) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WakdA-0008Hm-2j for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:37:24 -0400 Received: by mail-yh0-f48.google.com with SMTP id z6so219404yhz.7 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 04:37:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8761m82orj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --089e0158c41ceb739b04f73b742d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Huh, this is *very* cool. Thank you. Now I need to solve the problem of being able to tie the node to the clock-display. (If there's a big list, then it's hard to visually match them.) I think I recall a minor mode that highlighted the current line your point is on. That would fix it. But then, it would be nice if that worked with my mouse too. Any ideas? I think unless there's an obvious way to solve this, that it might actually make sense to have the "......." bit visible by default, and provide an option to turn it off for people who don't mind the way it looks. Thoughts? On 17 April 2014 13:12, Bastien wrote: > Hi, > > Noah Slater writes: > > > I was wondering if the "........................................" bit > > can be hidden. Is there a font face to customise for this? I find it > > distracting, especially with a big list of folded nodes. > > Check latest master: I removed the dots. > > > The only problem then is: how do I match the times up with the nodes. > > I guess this is the problem I was trying to solve with the clock > > cookies. > > > > One option would be to highlight the time with a new face when the > > point is on a node. Not sure about this though. > > > > If the above is possible, then would it be possible to move that > > "..." (after the clock total) to the left-hand side, so that it looks > > like this: > > > > * Node... 02:10 > > This cannot be easily achieved, if at all. > > > The only other thing I'd want to change is the alignment of the > > times. > > > > So right now, we have: > > > > 2d 18:10 > > 7:30 > > 11:32 > > From master, this should be aligned correctly now. > > > (For instance.) > > > > It would be great if these could be aligned so that: > > > > - The ":" ran down the middle (single column) > > - The hours were zero padded, so it was "07" and not "7" > > Well, not possible. > > > - There was some padding for days > > > > i.e. If there are no days, you add the space necessary so that the > > clock time aligns with other nodes that have days. > > Done. > > > As I say: I am more than happy to actually work on the patches > > necessary to make these changes > > Yep -- please submit a patch for other changes you would like to > make. Read http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html twice to > format the patches correctly :) > > -- > Bastien > --089e0158c41ceb739b04f73b742d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Huh, this is *very* cool. Thank you.

No= w I need to solve the problem of being able to tie the node to the clock-di= splay. (If there's a big list, then it's hard to visually match the= m.)

I think I recall a minor mode that highlighted the curr= ent line your point is on. That would fix it. But then, it would be nice if= that worked with my mouse too.

Any ideas?

I think unless there's an obvious way to solve this= , that it might actually make sense to have the "......." bit vis= ible by default, and provide an option to turn it off for people who don= 9;t mind the way it looks.

Thoughts?=A0

=
On 17 April 2014 13:12, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org&= gt; wrote:
Hi,

Noah Slater <nslater@tumbolia.or= g> writes:

> I was wondering if the "........................................&= quot; bit
> can be hidden. Is there a font face to customise for this? I find it > distracting, especially with a big list of folded nodes.

Check latest master: I removed the dots.

> The only problem then is: how do I match the times up with the nodes.<= br> > I guess this is the problem I was trying to solve with the clock
> cookies.
>
> One option would be to highlight the time with a new face when the
> point is on a node. Not sure about this though.
>
> If the above is possible, then would it be possible to move that
> "..." (after the clock total) to the left-hand side, so that= it looks
> like this:
>
> * Node... =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A002:10

This cannot be easily achieved, if at all.

> The only other thing I'd want to change is the alignment of the > times.
>
> So right now, we have:
>
> 2d 18:10
> 7:30
> 11:32

From master, this should be aligned correctly now.

> (For instance.)
>
> It would be great if these could be aligned so that:
>
> - The ":" ran down the middle (single column)
> - The hours were zero padded, so it was "07" and not "7= "

Well, not possible.

> - There was some padding for days
>
> i.e. If there are no days, you add the space necessary so that the
> clock time aligns with other nodes that have days.

Done.

> As I say: I am more than happy to actually work on the patches
> necessary to make these changes

Yep -- please submit a patch for other changes you would like to
make. =A0Read http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html twice to
format the patches correctly :)

--
=A0Bastien

--089e0158c41ceb739b04f73b742d-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:43:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87eh0wqiyt.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <8761m82orj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38989) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wakji-0004SN-HY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:44:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WakjW-0002aI-Sl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:44:10 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::230]:51688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WakjW-0002ZT-Lc for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:43:58 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id x48so314324wes.7 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 04:43:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Noah Slater's message of "Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:37:23 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Noah Slater Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Noah Slater writes: > Now I need to solve the problem of being able to tie the node to the > clock-display. (If there's a big list, then it's hard to visually > match them.) I'm not really sure what you mean by "tie the node to the clock-display". > I think I recall a minor mode that highlighted the current line your > point is on. M-x hl-line-mode RET > That would fix it. But then, it would be nice if that > worked with my mouse too. > > Any ideas? > > I think unless there's an obvious way to solve this, that it might > actually make sense to have the "......." bit visible by default, and > provide an option to turn it off for people who don't mind the way it > looks. > > Thoughts? The dots have been removed, so really not sure what we are talking about :) But if you want to make the folding three dots "..." be displayed differently, that's hard -- and I don't think it's worth the time. -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Noah Slater Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:53:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <8761m82orj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87eh0wqiyt.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158bbdcc03db704f73baeca Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41520) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Waksw-00085d-Ht for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:53:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Waksp-0005tL-OV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:53:42 -0400 Received: from mail-yh0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c01::229]:35908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Waksp-0005t8-IJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:53:35 -0400 Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i57so237233yha.28 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 04:53:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eh0wqiyt.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --089e0158bbdcc03db704f73baeca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah, sorry. So what I mean is, if you have a long list of lines like this: * A 5:10 ... * B 8:40 ... * C 2:50 ... Then it is a bit tricky to see what time is clocked for, say, B. It is easy above because there are only three nodes. But if you have 20 nodes, it gets tricky. So my thinking was that previously the "...................." bits helped to guide your eye across. But I am not so sure, you know. Because if you have 20 of those in a row, it's not really helping much. * A ........................................................... 5:10 ... * B ........................................................... 8:40 ... * C ........................................................... 2:50 ... Again, this is easy when you just have three. But you have 20 in a row, it's hard to follow. So my idea was to use something like ln-line (thanks!) to show you where you are. Then I can just navigate around the nodes, and it is obvious what time matches up to what node. Bit I'm wondering if you have any better ideas. Or, given the readability problems, it makes sense to display the "..............." bits by default. (Though I am not sure that they are actually much more readable.) This is one of the reasons I suggested an alternative approach: do not align the times to the right at all, just stick them right next to the node titles, like so: * Apple 5:10 ... * Bananas 8:40 ... * Carrots 2:50 ... As you can see, the times wont line up then, but matching them to the node titles is easy. On 17 April 2014 13:43, Bastien wrote: > Noah Slater writes: > > > Now I need to solve the problem of being able to tie the node to the > > clock-display. (If there's a big list, then it's hard to visually > > match them.) > > I'm not really sure what you mean by "tie the node to the clock-display". > > > I think I recall a minor mode that highlighted the current line your > > point is on. > > M-x hl-line-mode RET > > > That would fix it. But then, it would be nice if that > > worked with my mouse too. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I think unless there's an obvious way to solve this, that it might > > actually make sense to have the "......." bit visible by default, and > > provide an option to turn it off for people who don't mind the way it > > looks. > > > > Thoughts? > > The dots have been removed, so really not sure what we are talking > about :) But if you want to make the folding three dots "..." be > displayed differently, that's hard -- and I don't think it's worth > the time. > > -- > Bastien > --089e0158bbdcc03db704f73baeca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah, sorry.

So what I mean is, if you ha= ve a long list of lines like this:

* A =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A05:10 ...
* B =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A08:40 ...
* C =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02:50 ...
<= br>
Then it is a bit tricky to see what time is clocked for, say,= B.

It is easy above because there are only three = nodes. But if you have 20 nodes, it gets tricky.

So my thinking was that previously the "..........= .........." bits helped to guide your eye across. But I am not so sure= , you know. Because if you have 20 of those in a row, it's not really h= elping much.

* A ...................................................= ........ 5:10 ...
* B ...........................................= ................ 8:40 ...
* C ...............................= ............................ 2:50 ...

Again, this is easy when you just have three. But= you have 20 in a row, it's hard to follow.

So= my idea was to use something like ln-line (thanks!) to show you where you = are. Then I can just navigate around the nodes, and it is obvious what time= matches up to what node.

Bit I'm wondering if you have any better ideas.

Or, given the readability problems, it makes sense to= display the "..............." bits by default. (Though I am not = sure that they are actually much more readable.)

This is one of the reasons I suggested an alternative a= pproach: do not align the times to the right at all, just stick them right = next to the node titles, like so:

* Apple 5:10 ...=
* Bananas 8:40 ...
* Carrots 2:50 ...

As you can see, the times wont line up then, but matching them to the no= de titles is easy.


On 17 April 2014 13:43, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
Noah Slater <nsl= ater@tumbolia.org> writes:

> Now I need to solve the problem of being able to tie the node to the > clock-display. (If there's a big list, then it's hard to visua= lly
> match them.)

I'm not really sure what you mean by "tie the node to the cl= ock-display".

> I think I recall a minor mode that highlighted the current line your > point is on.

M-x hl-line-mode RET

> That would fix it. But then, it would be nice if that
> worked with my mouse too.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> I think unless there's an obvious way to solve this, that it might=
> actually make sense to have the "......." bit visible by def= ault, and
> provide an option to turn it off for people who don't mind the way= it
> looks.
>
> Thoughts?

The dots have been removed, so really not sure what we are talking about :) =A0But if you want to make the folding three dots "..." = be
displayed differently, that's hard -- and I don't think it's wo= rth
the time.

--
=A0Bastien

--089e0158bbdcc03db704f73baeca-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:28:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87a9bkb0nu.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <8761m82orj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87eh0wqiyt.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53912) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WalQi-0002lG-M3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:28:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WalQb-0003b2-EG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:28:36 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::232]:43925) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WalQb-0003as-7a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:28:29 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u56so362621wes.37 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 05:28:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Noah Slater's message of "Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:53:33 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Noah Slater Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Noah Slater writes: > As you can see, the times wont line up then, but matching them to the > node titles is easy. Mhhh... I see. Maybe we can use the background color for the whole headline? But for now I'd like to let the dust settle on the current implementation so that others can chime in if they have the same problem. -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastien Vauban Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:51:07 +0200 Message-ID: <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hello Bastien, Bastien wrote: > Noah Slater writes: >> >> - Times are indented like the nodes, meaning they don't line up. (I >> presume this is intentional, but I find it annoying. Is there a way >> to turn it off?) > > Fixed. > >> - Everything is highlighted with yellow. Is this intentional? Can I >> turn it off? > > M-x customize-face RET org-clock-display RET > > I changed from yellow to gray. > >> - Why are some of the times blue and some white. Can I turn this off? > > Because the face inherited from the headline face. > I changed it by specified a foreground. I tested your changes with this ECM file: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- #+TITLE: Example of Tasks #+LANGUAGE: en * Marketing :PROPERTIES: :CATEGORY: Marketing :END: ** STRT Hire PR firm :phone: DEADLINE: <2014-03-12 Wed> :LOGBOOK: CLOCK: [2013-02-05 Tue 09:00]--[2013-02-05 Tue 10:11] => 1:11 - State "TODO" -> "STRT" [2013-02-05 Tue 17:48] - State "TODO" -> "STRT" [2013-08-19 Mon 15:16] :END: *** Call Laura about PR firm :phone: *** Interview PR firm candidates * Work :PROPERTIES: :CATEGORY: Work :END: ** TODO Update database to latest version SCHEDULED: <2014-03-13 Thu> * Personal :PROPERTIES: :CATEGORY: Personal :END: ** DONE Read "Getting Things Done" :LOGBOOK: - State "TODO" -> "DONE" [2014-01-06 Mon 15:10] :END: ** WAIT Mail package to Susan :LOGBOOK: - State "TODO" -> "STRT" [2013-07-24 Wed 15:45] CLOCK: [2013-07-24 Wed 15:45]--[2013-07-24 Wed 17:28] => 1:43 CLOCK: [2013-08-12 Mon 11:56]--[2013-08-12 Mon 12:12] => 0:16 - State "STRT" -> "DONE" [2013-08-12 Mon 12:12] - State "DONE" -> "TODO" [2013-09-27 Fri 10:23] - State "TODO" -> "WAIT" [2013-11-15 Fri 12:00] :END: --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- and the Leuven theme (in the current trunk of the "to be" Emacs 24.4). See (on http://screencast.com/t/hkFpXhQG) that there are 2 weirdnesses: - The last letter of the headline text gets its height amplified when there is a following "time display". - The ":" of the "phone" tag gets temporarily overlaid with an "m". Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:41:57 +0200 Message-ID: <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41501) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wb9zm-0005v6-L9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:42:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wb9ze-00066B-Dm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:42:26 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58888) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wb9ze-000663-6t for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:42:18 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wb9zc-0004nf-UM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:42:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> (Sebastien Vauban's message of "Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:51:07 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastien Vauban Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org Hi Sébastien, should be fixed, thanks! -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastien Vauban Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:03:01 +0200 Message-ID: <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hi Bastien, Bastien wrote: > should be fixed, thanks! Almost, but not really. See http://screencast.com/t/fmR5TJfa what happens to the size of the titles, when the overlay is applied or removed. Also, I did prefer (unlike Noah) when there were no "reading dots". Is there a way to remove them, or at least to get them in a very light gray, for example? Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Noah Slater Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:57:06 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b13de91aae604f7533375 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34657) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbBA8-0007RG-8a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 11:57:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbBA3-0007ka-Co for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 11:57:12 -0400 Received: from mail-yh0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c]:52413) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbBA3-0007kW-81 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 11:57:07 -0400 Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f10so1599569yha.31 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastien Vauban Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --20cf305b13de91aae604f7533375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 18 April 2014 17:03, Sebastien Vauban wrote: > > Also, I did prefer (unlike Noah) when there were no "reading dots". Is > there a way to remove them, or at least to get them in a very light > gray, for example? They are completely removed for me. --20cf305b13de91aae604f7533375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1



On 18 April 2014 17:03, Sebastien Vauban <sva-news@mygooglest.com> wrote:

Also, I did prefer (unlike Noah) when there were no "reading dots". Is
there a way to remove them, or at least to get them in a very light
gray, for example?

They are completely removed for me.
--20cf305b13de91aae604f7533375-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:18:57 +0200 Message-ID: <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47487) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbNgT-0003gg-Jb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 01:19:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbNgN-0006eP-20 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 01:19:25 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34627) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbNgM-0006eF-Qj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 01:19:18 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WbNgK-00008I-Lv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:19:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> (Sebastien Vauban's message of "Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:03:01 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastien Vauban Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org Hi, Sebastien Vauban writes: > See http://screencast.com/t/fmR5TJfa what happens to the size of the > titles, when the overlay is applied or removed. Fixed, although I think this bug was present before I tweaked this function. > Also, I did prefer (unlike Noah) when there were no "reading dots". Is > there a way to remove them, or at least to get them in a very light > gray, for example? I reinstalled the dots (different ones) with a shadow background: having the dots is good to match the headline visually. -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:02:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87sip8nzkp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50761) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbneO-00027p-Uf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:03:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbneI-0004TT-3v for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:03:00 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54920) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbneH-0004TP-TF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:02:54 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WbneG-0003R3-8w for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:02:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Noah Slater's message of "Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:48:54 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Noah Slater Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org, Sebastien Vauban Noah Slater writes: > Can the dots use a custom face? I'd like to customise the colour (by > perhaps turning it off). It uses the shadow face. M-x customize-face RET shadow RET -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Noah Slater Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:48:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50dc41eee0aba04f775733a Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52520) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbnvv-0000zj-Bv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:21:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbnvq-0000uH-0o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:21:07 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47704) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbnvp-0000uD-Ql for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:21:01 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbnvp-0007Tx-7i for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:21:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org, Sebastien Vauban --bcaec50dc41eee0aba04f775733a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can the dots use a custom face? I'd like to customise the colour (by perhaps turning it off). On 19 April 2014 07:18, Bastien wrote: > > > Hi, > > Sebastien Vauban > writes: > > > See http://screencast.com/t/fmR5TJfa what happens to the size of the > > titles, when the overlay is applied or removed. > > Fixed, although I think this bug was present before I tweaked this > function. > > > Also, I did prefer (unlike Noah) when there were no "reading dots". Is > > there a way to remove them, or at least to get them in a very light > > gray, for example? > > I reinstalled the dots (different ones) with a shadow background: > having the dots is good to match the headline visually. > > -- > Bastien > > > --bcaec50dc41eee0aba04f775733a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can the dots use a custom face? I'd like to customise = the colour (by perhaps turning it off).

On 19 April 2014 07:18, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:


Hi,

Sebastien Vauban <sva-news-D0wtAvR13HarG/iDocfnWg@public.gmane.org>
writes:

> See htt= p://screencast.com/t/fmR5TJfa what happens to the size of the
> titles, when the overlay is applied or removed.

Fixed, although I think this bug was present before I tweaked this function.

> Also, I did prefer (unlike Noah) when there were no "reading dots= ". Is
> there a way to remove them, or at least to get them in a very light > gray, for example?

I reinstalled the dots (different ones) with a shadow background:
having the dots is good to match the headline visually.

--
=A0Bastien



--bcaec50dc41eee0aba04f775733a-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Noah Slater Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:18:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87sip8nzkp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158cb5275d63304f775de43 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbnwW-0001gO-7h for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:21:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbnwQ-0001MI-9S for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:21:44 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbnwQ-0001LX-33 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:21:38 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WbnwP-0008EM-Fw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:21:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87sip8nzkp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org, Sebastien Vauban --089e0158cb5275d63304f775de43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmm. Okay. It might be a good idea to have org-clock-shadow or something, so it can be customised separately. I might want to hide the dots, but still have shadow as a useable face. On 20 April 2014 11:02, Bastien wrote: > Noah Slater writes: > > > Can the dots use a custom face? I'd like to customise the colour (by > > perhaps turning it off). > > It uses the shadow face. > > M-x customize-face RET shadow RET > > -- > Bastien > --089e0158cb5275d63304f775de43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmm. Okay. It might be a good idea to have org-clock-shado= w or something, so it can be customised separately. I might want to hide th= e dots, but still have shadow as a useable face.


On 20 April 2014 11:02, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org<= /a>> wrote:
Noah Slater <nsl= ater@tumbolia.org> writes:

> Can the dots use a custom face? I'd like to customise the colour (= by
> perhaps turning it off).

It uses the shadow face.

M-x customize-face RET shadow RET

--
=A0Bastien

--089e0158cb5275d63304f775de43-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:24:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87k3aknyjw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87sip8nzkp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbnzk-0003px-Cf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:25:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbnzd-0001q8-IT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:25:04 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:36118) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbnzd-0001q3-7P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 05:24:57 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbnzc-0003WY-6d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:24:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Noah Slater's message of "Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:18:42 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Noah Slater Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org, Sebastien Vauban Noah Slater writes: > Hmm. Okay. It might be a good idea to have org-clock-shadow or > something, so it can be customised separately. I might want to hide > the dots, but still have shadow as a useable face. Let me resist to this for a while: I'm not fan a having a separate face for everything in Org, especially transient display. Also, maybe you can try adapting shadow and see where this face is used elsewhere? -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastien Vauban Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:45:26 +0200 Message-ID: <86ppkcl1o9.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87sip8nzkp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87k3aknyjw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hi Bastien, Bastien wrote: > Noah Slater writes: > >> Hmm. Okay. It might be a good idea to have org-clock-shadow or >> something, so it can be customised separately. I might want to hide >> the dots, but still have shadow as a useable face. > > Let me resist to this for a while: I'm not fan a having a separate > face for everything in Org, especially transient display. Also, > maybe you can try adapting shadow and see where this face is used > elsewhere? If you don't like to add a face, then I'd also favor the possibility to turn off the display of dots -- without having to touch the shadow face. Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:30:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87ppkci3o4.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87sip8nzkp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87k3aknyjw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86ppkcl1o9.fsf@somewhere.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42326) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbqtl-0005ve-Ia for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 08:31:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbqtd-0003J3-AW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 08:31:05 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:60012) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbqtd-0003Ir-4b for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 08:30:57 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbqtb-0004e3-CF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:30:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86ppkcl1o9.fsf@somewhere.org> (Sebastien Vauban's message of "Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:45:26 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastien Vauban Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org Hi Sébastien, Sebastien Vauban writes: > If you don't like to add a face, then I'd also favor the possibility to > turn off the display of dots -- without having to touch the shadow face. Well, I don't want to add a face for the same reasons I don't want adding an option: we are really in the bikeshed zone here, let's just live with it. -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Noah Slater Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:58:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87sip8nzkp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87k3aknyjw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86ppkcl1o9.fsf@somewhere.org> <87ppkci3o4.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b0abca6f07704f778f096 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46871) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbrKc-0002tb-KL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 08:58:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbrKW-0002mS-Mh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 08:58:50 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:41335) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbrKW-0002mO-F6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 08:58:44 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WbrKV-0002hM-9g for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:58:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ppkci3o4.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org, Sebastien Vauban --20cf305b0abca6f07704f778f096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess Sebastien's point is that without a custom face, the only way to turn the dots off is to set the shadow face to be hidden. But that could have unintended side-effects. So if there's no custom face, then there should be a config so that people can turn it off without having to deal with those side-effects. On 20 April 2014 14:30, Bastien wrote: > > > Hi S=E9bastien, > > Sebastien Vauban > writes: > > > If you don't like to add a face, then I'd also favor the possibility to > > turn off the display of dots -- without having to touch the shadow face= --20cf305b0abca6f07704f778f096-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Problem with org-clock-display Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 15:12:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87ioq4i1qd.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <874n1s74bm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86zjjirbjo.fsf@somewhere.org> <87fvlak8cq.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86k3amist6.fsf@somewhere.org> <87mwfhhp6m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87sip8nzkp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87k3aknyjw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86ppkcl1o9.fsf@somewhere.org> <87ppkci3o4.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49665) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbrYF-0000tn-93 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 09:13:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbrY8-0007OS-Cf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 09:12:55 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:57061) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbrY8-0007OO-5h for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 09:12:48 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WbrY6-0001v8-3o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 15:12:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Noah Slater's message of "Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:58:32 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Noah Slater Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org, Sebastien Vauban Hi Noah, Noah Slater writes: > I guess Sebastien's point is that without a custom face, the only way to > turn the dots off is to set the shadow face to be hidden. But that could > have unintended side-effects. So if there's no custom face, then there > should be a config so that people can turn it off without having to deal > with those side-effects. My point is that all this is not important, I'd rather have us all focused on more pressing issues. Hope you both understand, -- Bastien