Refile target caching

Refile target caching

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,

I remember that both of you have in the past reported that refiling
has a long startup time because of target collection.

I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to try  
it out.

(setq org-refile-use-cache t)

This will speed up refile target collection for the second and further  
instance.
If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves, that  
chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c C-w'  
or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.

Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does  
nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how much  
this helps for your use-case.


- Carsten

Re: Refile target caching

[Richard Riley]

Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> writes:

> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>
> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that refiling
> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>
> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to try  
> it out.
>
> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>
> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and further  
> instance.
> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves, that  
> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c C-w'  
> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>
> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does  
> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how much  
> this helps for your use-case.
>
> - Carsten


On the subject of refile, I frequently refile C-c C-w from the new item
buffer in which case the item is correctly refiled but the new item
buffer empties and remains open. Is there a way to configure it that after
the C-c C-w the new org item buffer closes?

Re: Re: Refile target caching

[Carsten Dominik]

On May 18, 2010, at 2:14 AM, Richard Riley wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> writes:
>
>> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>>
>> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that refiling
>> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>>
>> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to try
>> it out.
>>
>> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>>
>> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and  
>> further
>> instance.
>> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves, that
>> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c C- 
>> w'
>> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>>
>> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does
>> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how  
>> much
>> this helps for your use-case.
>>
>> - Carsten
>
>
> On the subject of refile, I frequently refile C-c C-w from the new  
> item
> buffer in which case the item is correctly refiled but the new item
> buffer empties and remains open. Is there a way to configure it that  
> after
> the C-c C-w the new org item buffer closes?


By "new item buffer", do you mean a remember buffer?  Then:

Just exit with `C-1 C-c C-c'.  This will use refile to file the
new entry, and it will remove the buffer.

HTH

- Carsten


>
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- Carsten

Re: Refile target caching

[Samuel Wales]

Hi Carsten,

Thank you for thinking of our bugs.  This is superb.

I have used it for a while now.

It speeds things up enormously, making the difference between usability and not.

However, I have definitely had headlines get refiled to the wrong
place.  I am not able to track it down now, but I do have a
suggestion.

==> Would it be possible to print the actual target that the headline
got refiled to, instead of the name associated with the marker?  At
present, org says that it successfully refiled to the target headline
when it did not.

==> Alternatively, org could compare the actual headline it was
refiled to against the headline it was supposed to refile to.  Then
you'd get an error if they do not match.

As for the bugs, I cannot investigate further now.  Debugging is
difficult for me.

Perhaps more error checking as above will make the bug show up better.

Thanks.

Samuel

On 2010-05-17, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>
> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that refiling
> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>
> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to try
> it out.
>
> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>
> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and further
> instance.
> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves, that
> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c C-w'
> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>
> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does
> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how much
> this helps for your use-case.
>
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>


-- 
Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for 25 years]
==========
Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html

Re: Re: Refile target caching

[Carsten Dominik]

On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:49 AM, Samuel Wales wrote:

> Hi Carsten,
>
> Thank you for thinking of our bugs.  This is superb.
>
> I have used it for a while now.
>
> It speeds things up enormously, making the difference between  
> usability and not.
>
> However, I have definitely had headlines get refiled to the wrong
> place.

Ouch, this is bad.

If you do a lot of moving stuff around in the buffer, the markers
pointing to refile locations will become wrong.  So you then need
to clear the cache, to make sure you get fresh positions.

A good example where it goes wrong would, of cause, be useful.

- Carsten


>  I am not able to track it down now, but I do have a
> suggestion.
>
> ==> Would it be possible to print the actual target that the headline
> got refiled to, instead of the name associated with the marker?  At
> present, org says that it successfully refiled to the target headline
> when it did not.
>
> ==> Alternatively, org could compare the actual headline it was
> refiled to against the headline it was supposed to refile to.  Then
> you'd get an error if they do not match.
>
> As for the bugs, I cannot investigate further now.  Debugging is
> difficult for me.
>
> Perhaps more error checking as above will make the bug show up better.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Samuel
>
> On 2010-05-17, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>>
>> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that refiling
>> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>>
>> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to try
>> it out.
>>
>> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>>
>> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and  
>> further
>> instance.
>> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves, that
>> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c C- 
>> w'
>> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>>
>> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does
>> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how  
>> much
>> this helps for your use-case.
>>
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for  
> 25 years]
> ==========
> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html
>
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- Carsten

Re: Re: Refile target caching

[Samuel Wales]

Hi Carsten,

I proposed a way in the rest of my bug report to find out when this
happens.  Without that, I don't think I can track it down.

I sort outline entries all the time.  Therefore, I run into marker
problems all the time.

So that would not be surprising.

Samuel


P.S.  The running clock also gets lost all the time.  Even when point is in it!

On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>
> On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:49 AM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> Thank you for thinking of our bugs.  This is superb.
>>
>> I have used it for a while now.
>>
>> It speeds things up enormously, making the difference between
>> usability and not.
>>
>> However, I have definitely had headlines get refiled to the wrong
>> place.
>
> Ouch, this is bad.
>
> If you do a lot of moving stuff around in the buffer, the markers
> pointing to refile locations will become wrong.  So you then need
> to clear the cache, to make sure you get fresh positions.
>
> A good example where it goes wrong would, of cause, be useful.
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>>  I am not able to track it down now, but I do have a
>> suggestion.
>>
>> ==> Would it be possible to print the actual target that the headline
>> got refiled to, instead of the name associated with the marker?  At
>> present, org says that it successfully refiled to the target headline
>> when it did not.
>>
>> ==> Alternatively, org could compare the actual headline it was
>> refiled to against the headline it was supposed to refile to.  Then
>> you'd get an error if they do not match.
>>
>> As for the bugs, I cannot investigate further now.  Debugging is
>> difficult for me.
>>
>> Perhaps more error checking as above will make the bug show up better.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Samuel
>>
>> On 2010-05-17, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>>>
>>> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that refiling
>>> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>>>
>>> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to try
>>> it out.
>>>
>>> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>>>
>>> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and
>>> further
>>> instance.
>>> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves, that
>>> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c C-
>>> w'
>>> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>>>
>>> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does
>>> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how
>>> much
>>> this helps for your use-case.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for
>> 25 years]
>> ==========
>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>


-- 
Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for 25 years]
==========
Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE DONATE
===
PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
verbatim along with the new paper.

Re: Re: Refile target caching

[Carsten Dominik]

On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Samuel Wales wrote:

> Hi Carsten,
>
> I proposed a way in the rest of my bug report to find out when this
> happens.  Without that, I don't think I can track it down.
>
> I sort outline entries all the time.  Therefore, I run into marker
> problems all the time.
>
> So that would not be surprising.

Yes, sorting is one of the issues that will loose markers.

- Carsten

>
> Samuel
>
>
> P.S.  The running clock also gets lost all the time.  Even when  
> point is in it!
>
> On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:49 AM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>
>>> Thank you for thinking of our bugs.  This is superb.
>>>
>>> I have used it for a while now.
>>>
>>> It speeds things up enormously, making the difference between
>>> usability and not.
>>>
>>> However, I have definitely had headlines get refiled to the wrong
>>> place.
>>
>> Ouch, this is bad.
>>
>> If you do a lot of moving stuff around in the buffer, the markers
>> pointing to refile locations will become wrong.  So you then need
>> to clear the cache, to make sure you get fresh positions.
>>
>> A good example where it goes wrong would, of cause, be useful.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>>> I am not able to track it down now, but I do have a
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> ==> Would it be possible to print the actual target that the  
>>> headline
>>> got refiled to, instead of the name associated with the marker?  At
>>> present, org says that it successfully refiled to the target  
>>> headline
>>> when it did not.
>>>
>>> ==> Alternatively, org could compare the actual headline it was
>>> refiled to against the headline it was supposed to refile to.  Then
>>> you'd get an error if they do not match.
>>>
>>> As for the bugs, I cannot investigate further now.  Debugging is
>>> difficult for me.
>>>
>>> Perhaps more error checking as above will make the bug show up  
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Samuel
>>>
>>> On 2010-05-17, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>>>>
>>>> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that refiling
>>>> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>>>>
>>>> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to  
>>>> try
>>>> it out.
>>>>
>>>> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>>>>
>>>> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and
>>>> further
>>>> instance.
>>>> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves,  
>>>> that
>>>> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c  
>>>> C-
>>>> w'
>>>> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>>>>
>>>> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does
>>>> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how
>>>> much
>>>> this helps for your use-case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for
>>> 25 years]
>>> ==========
>>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for  
> 25 years]
> ==========
> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE  
> DONATE
> ===
> PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
> verbatim along with the new paper.

- Carsten

Re: Re: Refile target caching

[Samuel Wales]

On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
> Yes, sorting is one of the issues that will loose markers.

Do you think that a cautious move here would be to compare the
headline of the target to the headline you think matches the target?
Then the refile can be aborted if they do not match.

>
> - Carsten
>
>>
>> Samuel
>>
>>
>> P.S.  The running clock also gets lost all the time.  Even when
>> point is in it!
>>
>> On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:49 AM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for thinking of our bugs.  This is superb.
>>>>
>>>> I have used it for a while now.
>>>>
>>>> It speeds things up enormously, making the difference between
>>>> usability and not.
>>>>
>>>> However, I have definitely had headlines get refiled to the wrong
>>>> place.
>>>
>>> Ouch, this is bad.
>>>
>>> If you do a lot of moving stuff around in the buffer, the markers
>>> pointing to refile locations will become wrong.  So you then need
>>> to clear the cache, to make sure you get fresh positions.
>>>
>>> A good example where it goes wrong would, of cause, be useful.
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am not able to track it down now, but I do have a
>>>> suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> ==> Would it be possible to print the actual target that the
>>>> headline
>>>> got refiled to, instead of the name associated with the marker?  At
>>>> present, org says that it successfully refiled to the target
>>>> headline
>>>> when it did not.
>>>>
>>>> ==> Alternatively, org could compare the actual headline it was
>>>> refiled to against the headline it was supposed to refile to.  Then
>>>> you'd get an error if they do not match.
>>>>
>>>> As for the bugs, I cannot investigate further now.  Debugging is
>>>> difficult for me.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps more error checking as above will make the bug show up
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Samuel
>>>>
>>>> On 2010-05-17, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that refiling
>>>>> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to
>>>>> try
>>>>> it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>>>>>
>>>>> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and
>>>>> further
>>>>> instance.
>>>>> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves,
>>>>> that
>>>>> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c
>>>>> C-
>>>>> w'
>>>>> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does
>>>>> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how
>>>>> much
>>>>> this helps for your use-case.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for
>>>> 25 years]
>>>> ==========
>>>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for
>> 25 years]
>> ==========
>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE
>> DONATE
>> ===
>> PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
>> verbatim along with the new paper.
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>


-- 
Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for 25 years]
==========
Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE DONATE
===
PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
verbatim along with the new paper.

Re: Re: Refile target caching

[Carsten Dominik]

On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Samuel Wales wrote:

> On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>> Yes, sorting is one of the issues that will loose markers.
>
> Do you think that a cautious move here would be to compare the
> headline of the target to the headline you think matches the target?
> Then the refile can be aborted if they do not match.

Hi Samuel,

yes, this is in fact a good secure measure - sorry for making it you
say it three times before getting the idea.

This should be working now.

Best wishes

- Carsten

>
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>>
>>> Samuel
>>>
>>>
>>> P.S.  The running clock also gets lost all the time.  Even when
>>> point is in it!
>>>
>>> On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:49 AM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for thinking of our bugs.  This is superb.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have used it for a while now.
>>>>>
>>>>> It speeds things up enormously, making the difference between
>>>>> usability and not.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I have definitely had headlines get refiled to the wrong
>>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> Ouch, this is bad.
>>>>
>>>> If you do a lot of moving stuff around in the buffer, the markers
>>>> pointing to refile locations will become wrong.  So you then need
>>>> to clear the cache, to make sure you get fresh positions.
>>>>
>>>> A good example where it goes wrong would, of cause, be useful.
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am not able to track it down now, but I do have a
>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> ==> Would it be possible to print the actual target that the
>>>>> headline
>>>>> got refiled to, instead of the name associated with the marker?   
>>>>> At
>>>>> present, org says that it successfully refiled to the target
>>>>> headline
>>>>> when it did not.
>>>>>
>>>>> ==> Alternatively, org could compare the actual headline it was
>>>>> refiled to against the headline it was supposed to refile to.   
>>>>> Then
>>>>> you'd get an error if they do not match.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the bugs, I cannot investigate further now.  Debugging is
>>>>> difficult for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps more error checking as above will make the bug show up
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-05-17, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that  
>>>>>> refiling
>>>>>> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and
>>>>>> further
>>>>>> instance.
>>>>>> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves,
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c
>>>>>> C-
>>>>>> w'
>>>>>> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does
>>>>>> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> this helps for your use-case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>>>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease  
>>>>> for
>>>>> 25 years]
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for
>>> 25 years]
>>> ==========
>>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE
>>> DONATE
>>> ===
>>> PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
>>> verbatim along with the new paper.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for  
> 25 years]
> ==========
> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE  
> DONATE
> ===
> PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
> verbatim along with the new paper.
>
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- Carsten

Re: Re: Refile target caching

[Samuel Wales]

Thanks, Carsten.

Re: Re: Refile target caching

[Samuel Wales]

It tries to call looking-at-p.

Is that a 23ism?

I run Emacs 22.

If that isn't it, I will do a backtrace etc.

Thanks.

On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>
>> On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>> Yes, sorting is one of the issues that will loose markers.
>>
>> Do you think that a cautious move here would be to compare the
>> headline of the target to the headline you think matches the target?
>> Then the refile can be aborted if they do not match.
>
> Hi Samuel,
>
> yes, this is in fact a good secure measure - sorry for making it you
> say it three times before getting the idea.
>
> This should be working now.
>
> Best wishes
>
> - Carsten
>
>>
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Samuel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P.S.  The running clock also gets lost all the time.  Even when
>>>> point is in it!
>>>>
>>>> On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:49 AM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for thinking of our bugs.  This is superb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have used it for a while now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It speeds things up enormously, making the difference between
>>>>>> usability and not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I have definitely had headlines get refiled to the wrong
>>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ouch, this is bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you do a lot of moving stuff around in the buffer, the markers
>>>>> pointing to refile locations will become wrong.  So you then need
>>>>> to clear the cache, to make sure you get fresh positions.
>>>>>
>>>>> A good example where it goes wrong would, of cause, be useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not able to track it down now, but I do have a
>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==> Would it be possible to print the actual target that the
>>>>>> headline
>>>>>> got refiled to, instead of the name associated with the marker?
>>>>>> At
>>>>>> present, org says that it successfully refiled to the target
>>>>>> headline
>>>>>> when it did not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==> Alternatively, org could compare the actual headline it was
>>>>>> refiled to against the headline it was supposed to refile to.
>>>>>> Then
>>>>>> you'd get an error if they do not match.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the bugs, I cannot investigate further now.  Debugging is
>>>>>> difficult for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps more error checking as above will make the bug show up
>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2010-05-17, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that
>>>>>>> refiling
>>>>>>> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like you to
>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>> it out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and
>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>> instance.
>>>>>>> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets themselves,
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0 C-c
>>>>>>> C-
>>>>>>> w'
>>>>>>> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it does
>>>>>>> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see how
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> this helps for your use-case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>>>>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> 25 years]
>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>>>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>>>
>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for
>>>> 25 years]
>>>> ==========
>>>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE
>>>> DONATE
>>>> ===
>>>> PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
>>>> verbatim along with the new paper.
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for
>> 25 years]
>> ==========
>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE
>> DONATE
>> ===
>> PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
>> verbatim along with the new paper.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>


-- 
Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for 25 years]
==========
Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE DONATE
===
PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
verbatim along with the new paper.

Re: Re: Refile target caching

[Carsten Dominik]

On Aug 17, 2010, at 3:11 AM, Samuel Wales wrote:

> It tries to call looking-at-p.

Oops, bug.  Fixed now.

- Carsten

>
> Is that a 23ism?
>
> I run Emacs 22.
>
> If that isn't it, I will do a backtrace etc.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>> Yes, sorting is one of the issues that will loose markers.
>>>
>>> Do you think that a cautious move here would be to compare the
>>> headline of the target to the headline you think matches the target?
>>> Then the refile can be aborted if they do not match.
>>
>> Hi Samuel,
>>
>> yes, this is in fact a good secure measure - sorry for making it you
>> say it three times before getting the idea.
>>
>> This should be working now.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S.  The running clock also gets lost all the time.  Even when
>>>>> point is in it!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-08-16, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:49 AM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for thinking of our bugs.  This is superb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have used it for a while now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It speeds things up enormously, making the difference between
>>>>>>> usability and not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I have definitely had headlines get refiled to the  
>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ouch, this is bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you do a lot of moving stuff around in the buffer, the markers
>>>>>> pointing to refile locations will become wrong.  So you then need
>>>>>> to clear the cache, to make sure you get fresh positions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A good example where it goes wrong would, of cause, be useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not able to track it down now, but I do have a
>>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==> Would it be possible to print the actual target that the
>>>>>>> headline
>>>>>>> got refiled to, instead of the name associated with the marker?
>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>> present, org says that it successfully refiled to the target
>>>>>>> headline
>>>>>>> when it did not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==> Alternatively, org could compare the actual headline it was
>>>>>>> refiled to against the headline it was supposed to refile to.
>>>>>>> Then
>>>>>>> you'd get an error if they do not match.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the bugs, I cannot investigate further now.  Debugging is
>>>>>>> difficult for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps more error checking as above will make the bug show up
>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2010-05-17, Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Sebastian, hi Samuel,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember that both of you have in the past reported that
>>>>>>>> refiling
>>>>>>>> has a long startup time because of target collection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have now built a cache for refile targets and would like  
>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>> it out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (setq org-refile-use-cache t)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This will speed up refile target collection for the second and
>>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>> instance.
>>>>>>>> If you are moving or adding entries that are targets  
>>>>>>>> themselves,
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> chace needs to be cleared with prefix arg 0 (zero), i.e. `C-0  
>>>>>>>> C-c
>>>>>>>> C-
>>>>>>>> w'
>>>>>>>> or, if you prefer, with a triple C-u prefix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Samuel, note that this only speeds up target collection - it  
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> nothing to the overhead added by ido - so we will have to see  
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> this helps for your use-case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>>>>>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> 25 years]
>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>>>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>>>>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>>>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease  
>>>>> for
>>>>> 25 years]
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE
>>>>> DONATE
>>>>> ===
>>>>> PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
>>>>> verbatim along with the new paper.
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for
>>> 25 years]
>>> ==========
>>> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE
>>> DONATE
>>> ===
>>> PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
>>> verbatim along with the new paper.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Q: How many CDC "scientists" does it take to change a lightbulb?
> A: "You only think it's dark." [CDC has denied a deadly disease for  
> 25 years]
> ==========
> Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE  
> DONATE
> ===
> PNAS must publish the original Lo and Alter NIH/FDA XMRV paper
> verbatim along with the new paper.

- Carsten