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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620156966; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=094K222JidyFWhugvdneHYMfCIdkjvyNbKOLT/q6ELU=; b=aB3wBNjDTFbAwGhg+kcioytrUA1IWDEdJiq8JyWNFgJ5IvA4pjeRfkw1EnK80D6p8v6bl+ 0rKXkc4XwSW/Kn9a3qip3tIxBbm6CieLxpEL/opTr3Q0+7r+Cw3rJndaRKdT9yvuKzbNry HWW7E80xk80xa5jbJ5b+37dEDEZ7czlJUh+RA/+a4nj0PiuI7AbP0oN2klc64uIXo5HIVo PgqYIkCS8Y0Z65rgEz5QB1u9OuZRrEZ8doCgbpjZpaS4ko4F2C6mzdLyTdi/yUK995+V4u 5xo+le+t7ndLI3bqYTjV+grJYQGWOtUyboWVZc1SDWbKdpPE2vh0t8/dXS9zVA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620156966; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hRzAEGNyZCtVgdxw768EDDWsWoPpw0nDvLtX23UN4eoEuF14uIAJflyd00cHMHTQNx9mWD ayHvXBF1qj3hkn/JDl9S3tiphz0Xj6tGgz84k51i6N7sTz8dYV7jdY51CMMZtYOE5yNauS deqh0E6ZAbtTeSrZGztPT/16q3kbM86NzMCrUitQ02p80Hg3PTil7cPJSEXM2poMhKPaE8 HsTRQlJ9X27O16+AZ9tzA0wj9YNXc239RawCei6T2U47A1VQabDaoVhIXxid4Qu7Rb4LAb mcUmvEI+IuslYox+emvPt26TKv5RIJI90rxf6i7Vs4weaEAzLmCZZbdLskICyw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=trJmPRgS; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=D6CVQ+Mt; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.66 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=trJmPRgS; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=D6CVQ+Mt; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 09D6D1A0BD X-Spam-Score: -1.66 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: yN3Eesydksfo Am 04.05.2021 um 17:27 schrieb Joost Kremers: > > On Tue, May 04 2021, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: >> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:47 AM Joost Kremers wrote: >> >>> I can add some comments regarding biblatex: >>> >>> - default: \parencite[1] >> >> WDYT of \autocite for default? >> >> It's conceptually the same as the CSL default. > > If that is the case then it's probably the better choice. The biblatex manual > states that \autocite requires that the citation style defines a command for it > and that it is not appropriate for author-year style citations. I assume that's > something for the user to be aware of when using such citations? Well, IIRC, in author-year styles \autocite is equivalent to \parencite. I think, what the manual talks about is not that \autocite wouldn't be appropriate for author-year styles, but rather that relying /solely/ on \autocite doesn't give authors the flexibility they might want in these styles, like when you want something like in your example: ``` According to \textcite[]{Jones1998} , ``students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time'' \pnotecite[][199]{Jones1998}. ``` So, I think \autocite is the better choice. Denis