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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1659696957; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=3l7ykmzv1qyT0RyTTTJs3Pl0DPlWNjtgHWHPPY090rU=; b=b1QiM3ww1EHyEHzbNvlRZxlm37MhYNTtnxDIfE0FXjRn6VKjixUqkfJvn1sCrRhfQcrklP 1TjM8LfT+FhGEEDMP0h1xUyHSZtnNTizviHdHe9shGo+2IGZaXlxUWN8EkS9vOxtTtiBII GV3ZJxZpiI/7T0jzgiSe5gTVGARIxEsOvg0inExLgRet/09GZpMqBzr2lMgE6MGs1aKBoy kXQcoiWuUuzLRf/Wk0EiISQGSKLQqX4wiCFJth1VM9dobV/d8mtCOYMEI0qmHY5pOVNgly RdHUcfi91dpeH57lLwSVJF71t85WQfKaD4bkL2HE8ZYB1dVqVpsSMWBkVoStgg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1659696957; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Jl3V6jp/oYdoQLj9T82Na4na6kyILtXA3ia840O/cQl2MJxQR+MUnTl/R6NTXFATuMUBEf ohcLbRbvfl72sdk1siUZDjMu2FbdXCaAIwiDFptIThs8CkZodvqvZxWqLjtqnqhYk/JHXI CbkgnZO9dnQeauJgCwo8z1aKOGUkBJVrmV4HjU9ogUphSQ2cHFWx+Pjq4wBWtSLRUypMmf kHMsDraTEeI1zvK8qwOAOynWlUm8yC3I0SgtROEoSeHSf9jopPlpRMArP2zx1K1o3OldZX 6DAlB7bWAjpW2YJoEFZOiXYQyBqoBLqEhQriVkjlP12IWKbQskKKG8MZYBH36Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.30 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 389839C9F X-Spam-Score: -3.30 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: psvUUao2t1Ak >> - after "a=2E=2Ez" runs out, '{', '|' and '}' are being used which seem= s >> reasonable -- but after that, I get '\200' and similar before reachin= g >> '=C2=A9'=2E=2E=2E > >This is indeed true, but what can we do? There are only that many >characters in the keyboard=2E We may instead start using two-key >combinations for tags beyond #26, similar to org-capture=2E Patches are >welcome! Thanks for the fast reply and fully agreed! I would indeed argue that auto= matically generated keys are not useful beyond a certain number (N=3D26?) a= s they could change with new tags and thus are hard to memorize=2E And taki= ng in >N random choices every time is hardly "fast select" anymore=2E In fact, the docstring for =3Dorg-fast-tag-selection=3D says that only a-z= would be automatically assigned=2E That sounds reasonable to me (otherwise= one can define more keys via =3Dorg-tag-persistent-alist=3D)=2E Maybe this= is a bug after all? If more than 26 choices are desired, maybe A-Z (i=2Ee= =2E capital letters) could extend the list before more unusual characters? What do you think? I am not at my computer right now but could try to come up with a patch la= ter=2E >> - when defining my own keys, they are not displayed in the top; instead >> their characters are missing in the 'a'=2E=2E'z' range leaving more r= oom >> for odd and very difficult-to-type characters >I think that it would make sense to have `org-tag-persistent-alist` >staff being shown on top=2E Unless there are objections I can merge this >trivial change=2E Thanks, that already improves the usability a lot! Thanks and cheers, Hanno