From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Thomas S. Dye" Subject: Re: Beamer support in Org-mode Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:00:23 -1000 Message-ID: <78CCC120-4A39-4A85-A659-CCDC71EF5CEA@tsdye.com> References: <6A790953-D036-4BAE-8833-E5B343A15331@gmail.com> <23189.1259253052@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> <8F9C582F-F254-4FF7-A22B-E3D90081D380@gmail.com> <4b0ec920.0407c00a.1a73.1d20@mx.google.com> <4b2126f1.1408c00a.0695.3065@mx.google.com> <18166.1260466122@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> <4B215ECD.3070703@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1684789674==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NIq7t-00065h-9K for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:00:41 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NIq7o-00062z-9V for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:00:40 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59078 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NIq7o-00062u-56 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:00:36 -0500 Received: from outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com ([69.89.18.153]:50349) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NIq7m-0003cU-UE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:00:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4B215ECD.3070703@comcast.net> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Mark Elston Cc: Org Mode --===============1684789674== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21-851265539 --Apple-Mail-21-851265539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark, On Dec 10, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Mark Elston wrote: > I have been following this discussion with some interest as it may > provide the basis for something I am interested in doing as well. > I hope my discussion doesn't muddy the waters too much... > > Nick Dokos wrote: >> Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: >>> At Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:09:33 +0100, >>> Carsten Dominik wrote: >>>>> ... >>>> I still don't have any better ideas than this to represent notes >>>> in Org for beamer presentations. Just writing \noe{...} as you >>>> suggest will certainly work - the disadvantage is that this does >>>> not make a lot of sense when exporting to other formats. >>>> >>>> One option would be to turn all those notes into footnotes >>>> for other export..... >>>> >>>> I'd really be interested to get more input on this issue. >>>> >>>> - Carsten >>>> >>> Maybe it is better to simple ignore notes when exporting to other >>> formats. >>> >>> For me notes in beamer are useful only to give me an idea of what >>> I intend to >>> talk about in the presentation and help me training for the >>> presentation. They >>> are not really "part of the final exported document" and sometimes >>> I put a lot >>> of information in them (possible in a different language from the >>> presentation). >>> >>> Also, the contents in notes can be anything such as a table or a >>> figure. This >>> obviously would result in an error if or if org tried to put them >>> into a >>> footnote when exporting to other formats. >>> >>> Therefore, the question is has anyone here any interest in notes >>> when exporting >>> to other formats or do they only make sense when exporting to >>> beamer? >>> > > My case is similar. I teach a class each week and, so far, have > created > two documents; a set of handouts and my notes for teaching. Generally > these documents start from the same original and I modify and expand > the > notes I use for teaching while leaving the handouts a smaller doc for > those in the class to take their own notes from. > > I don't use beamer as the handouts tend to be 6-8 pages of 'normal' > text > as it is and my teaching notes are usually far larger. I don't want > to > manipulate a stack of paper while teaching. > >> For me, notes are rather important: in addition to reminding me >> what to >> say, they are essentially a second level to the presentation (and I >> always include them in any handouts). Somebody who has a vague >> interest >> in the subject can look at the slides. If they want to go into it a >> bit >> deeper, they can look at the notes. > > My case is similar but I don't 'expose' my teaching notes to the > students for a variety of reasons. > >> ... >> So unless somebody comes up with a really good idea, delaying any >> org-specific implementation might be the best way forward: it would >> save >> wear-and-tear on Carsten, allow the rest of us to catch up and gather >> some experience and perhaps come up with better ideas on how to >> handle >> this. >> Nick > > I guess my request is similar to what has been discussed above in > that I > would *very* much like to maintain handouts and teaching material in > the > same file and then export it to two different files as necessary. > This > would make my job a lot easier to manage. I could decide which > tables, > figures, text, etc are common to both docs and which are just for me > and > everything happens automatically behind the scenes. > > Beamer output is not critical for me (or even necessarily desired) > right > now but I would like a way of marking some text for 'limited' export. > Using a special notation is not a problem if it gives me the ability > to > maintain a single document that I can export to two different LaTeX/ > PDF > docs. > > Mark I use Org-babel to accomplish this. Its literate programming facility lets you define a block of text and re-use it wherever you like. You can "tangle" as many .tex files as you want from a single Org-mode document. You can find some examples here: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/org-babel-uses.php HTH, Tom --Apple-Mail-21-851265539 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark,

On = Dec 10, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Mark Elston wrote:

I = have been following this discussion with some interest as it = may
provide the basis for something I am interested in doing as = well.
I hope my discussion doesn't muddy the waters too = much...

Nick Dokos wrote:
Darlan = Cavalcante Moreira <darcamo@gmail.com> = wrote:
At Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:09:33 = +0100,
Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
...
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
I still don't have any better ideas than this to represent = notes
in Org = for beamer presentations.  Just writing \noe{...} as = you
suggest = will certainly work - the disadvantage is that this = does
not = make a lot of sense when exporting to other = formats.

One = option would be to turn all those notes into = footnotes
for = other export.....

I'd = really be interested to get more input on this = issue.

- = Carsten

Maybe it is better to simple = ignore notes when exporting to other = formats.

For me notes in beamer are = useful only to give me an idea of what I intend = to
talk about in the presentation and help me training for = the presentation. They
are not really "part of the = final exported document" and sometimes I put a = lot
of information in them (possible in a different language = from the
presentation).

Also, the contents in notes can = be anything such as a table or a figure. = This
obviously would result in an error if or if org tried to = put them into a
footnote when exporting to other = formats.

Therefore, the question is has = anyone here any interest in notes when = exporting
to other formats or do they only = make sense when exporting to = beamer?


My case is similar. =  I teach a class each week and, so far, have created
two = documents; a set of handouts and my notes for teaching. =  Generally
these documents start from the same original and I = modify and expand the
notes I use for teaching while leaving the = handouts a smaller doc for
those in the class to take their own notes = from.

I don't use beamer as the handouts tend to be 6-8 pages of = 'normal' text
as it is and my teaching notes are usually far larger. =  I don't want to
manipulate a stack of paper while = teaching.

For me, notes are rather = important: in addition to reminding me what = to
say, they are essentially a = second level to the presentation (and I
always include them in any handouts). Somebody who has a = vague interest
in the subject = can look at the slides. If they want to go into it a = bit
deeper, they can look at = the notes.

My case is similar but I don't 'expose' = my teaching notes to the
students for a variety of = reasons.

...
So unless somebody comes up with a really good idea, = delaying any
org-specific = implementation might be the best way forward: it would = save
wear-and-tear on Carsten, = allow the rest of us to catch up and gather
some experience and perhaps come up with better ideas on = how to handle
this.
Nick

I guess my request is similar to = what has been discussed above in that I
would *very* much like to = maintain handouts and teaching material in the
same file and then = export it to two different files as necessary.  This
would make = my job a lot easier to manage.  I could decide which = tables,
figures, text, etc are common to both docs and which are just = for me and
everything happens automatically behind the = scenes.

Beamer output is not critical for me (or even necessarily = desired) right
now but I would like a way of marking some text for = 'limited' export.
Using a special notation is not a problem if it = gives me the ability to
maintain a single document that I can export = to two different LaTeX/PDF
docs.

Mark

I&nb= sp;use Org-babel to accomplish this.  Its&nb= sp;literate programming facility lets you define&= nbsp;a block of text and re-use it wher= ever you like.  You can "tangle" as many = .tex files as you want from a single Org-mode = document.

You can find some examples = here:

HTH,
Tom
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