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* Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
@ 2011-03-08 23:08 Josh Berry
  2011-03-08 23:25 ` Nick Dokos
  2011-03-09  5:49 ` David Maus
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berry @ 2011-03-08 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi list,

I just upgraded from org-mode 7.4 to 7.5, and I can't set or change
TODO states at all with C-c C-t now; an args-out-of-range error gets
raised.  I've tried doing a "make clean" in my org-mode checkout, to
no avail.

I'm running GNU emacs 23.2.1 on Mac OSX (in Aqua), installed via
Homebrew.  Debugger backtrace is pasted below.

[[BTW, please forgive me if this isn't a well-formed bug report; I'm
relatively new to Emacs and don't know Elisp.  Just let me know if you
need anything else.]]

----------
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (args-out-of-range 1 4913)
  narrow-to-region(1 4913)
  (prog2 (widen) (run-hook-with-args-until-failure (quote
org-blocker-hook) change-plist) (narrow-to-region beg end) (goto-char
pos))
  (let ((beg ...) (end ...) (pos ...)) (prog2 (widen)
(run-hook-with-args-until-failure ... change-plist) (narrow-to-region
beg end) (goto-char pos)))
  (org-with-wide-buffer (run-hook-with-args-until-failure (quote
org-blocker-hook) change-plist))
  (progn (org-with-wide-buffer (run-hook-with-args-until-failure ...
change-plist)))
  (unwind-protect (progn (org-with-wide-buffer ...)) (set-match-data
save-match-data-internal (quote evaporate)))
  (let ((save-match-data-internal ...)) (unwind-protect (progn ...)
(set-match-data save-match-data-internal ...)))
  (save-match-data (org-with-wide-buffer
(run-hook-with-args-until-failure ... change-plist)))
  (save-excursion (save-match-data (org-with-wide-buffer ...)))
  (if (save-excursion (save-match-data ...)) nil (if (interactive-p)
(error "TODO state change from %s to %s blocked" this state) (message
"TODO state change from %s to %s blocked" this state) (throw ...
nil)))
  (unless (save-excursion (save-match-data ...)) (if (interactive-p)
(error "TODO state change from %s to %s blocked" this state) (message
"TODO state change from %s to %s blocked" this state) (throw ...
nil)))
  (progn (setq org-last-todo-state-is-todo (not ...)) (unless
(save-excursion ...) (if ... ... ... ...)))
  (if org-blocker-hook (progn (setq org-last-todo-state-is-todo ...)
(unless ... ...)))
  (when org-blocker-hook (setq org-last-todo-state-is-todo (not ...))
(unless (save-excursion ...) (if ... ... ... ...)))
  (let* ((match-data ...) (startpos ...) (logging ...) (org-log-done
org-log-done) (org-log-repeat org-log-repeat) (org-todo-log-states
org-todo-log-states) (this ...) (hl-pos ...) (head ...) (ass ...)
(interpret ...) (done-word ...) (final-done-word ...) (last-state ...)
(completion-ignore-case t) (member ...) (tail ...) (state ...) (state
...) (next ...) (change-plist ...) dolog now-done-p) (when
org-blocker-hook (setq org-last-todo-state-is-todo ...) (unless ...
...)) (store-match-data match-data) (replace-match next t t) (unless
(pos-visible-in-window-p hl-pos) (message "TODO state changed to %s"
...)) (unless head (setq head ... ass ... interpret ... done-word ...
final-done-word ...)) (when (memq arg ...) (message "Keyword-Set
%d/%d: %s" ... ... ...)) (setq org-last-todo-state-is-todo (not ...))
(setq now-done-p (and ... ...)) (and logging (org-local-logging
logging)) (when (and ... ... ...) (setq dolog ...) (if ... ...) (when
... ...) (when ... ... ...) (when ... ...))
(org-todo-trigger-tag-changes state) (and org-auto-align-tags (not
org-setting-tags) (org-set-tags nil t)) (when
org-provide-todo-statistics (org-update-parent-todo-statistics))
(run-hooks (quote org-after-todo-state-change-hook)) (if (and arg ...)
(setq head ...)) (put-text-property (point-at-bol) (point-at-eol)
(quote org-todo-head) head) (when now-done-p (when ... ...)
(org-auto-repeat-maybe state)) (if (and ... ... ... ...) (progn ...
...)) (when org-trigger-hook (save-excursion ...)))
  (catch (quote exit) (org-back-to-heading t) (if (looking-at
outline-regexp) (goto-char ...)) (or (looking-at ...) (looking-at "
*")) (let* (... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... dolog now-done-p) (when org-blocker-hook
... ...) (store-match-data match-data) (replace-match next t t)
(unless ... ...) (unless head ...) (when ... ...) (setq
org-last-todo-state-is-todo ...) (setq now-done-p ...) (and logging
...) (when ... ... ... ... ... ...) (org-todo-trigger-tag-changes
state) (and org-auto-align-tags ... ...) (when
org-provide-todo-statistics ...) (run-hooks ...) (if ... ...)
(put-text-property ... ... ... head) (when now-done-p ... ...) (if ...
...) (when org-trigger-hook ...)))
  (save-excursion (catch (quote exit) (org-back-to-heading t) (if ...
...) (or ... ...) (let* ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...)))
  (let ((org-blocker-hook org-blocker-hook) (case-fold-search nil))
(when (equal arg ...) (setq arg nil org-blocker-hook nil)) (when (and
org-blocker-hook ...) (setq org-blocker-hook nil)) (save-excursion
(catch ... ... ... ... ...)))
  org-todo(nil)
  call-interactively(org-todo nil nil)
----------

Can you please advise me on what (if anything) I should do next?
Thanks in advance for your help!

-- Josh

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* Re: Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
  2011-03-08 23:08 Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range" Josh Berry
@ 2011-03-08 23:25 ` Nick Dokos
  2011-03-09  0:35   ` Josh Berry
  2011-03-09  5:49 ` David Maus
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-03-08 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Josh Berry; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode

Josh Berry <des@condordes.net> wrote:


> I just upgraded from org-mode 7.4 to 7.5, and I can't set or change
> TODO states at all with C-c C-t now; an args-out-of-range error gets
> raised.  I've tried doing a "make clean" in my org-mode checkout, to
> no avail.
> 
> I'm running GNU emacs 23.2.1 on Mac OSX (in Aqua), installed via
> Homebrew.  Debugger backtrace is pasted below.
> 
> [[BTW, please forgive me if this isn't a well-formed bug report; I'm
> relatively new to Emacs and don't know Elisp.  Just let me know if you
> need anything else.]]
> 
> ----------
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (args-out-of-range 1 4913)
>   narrow-to-region(1 4913)
>   (prog2 (widen) (run-hook-with-args-until-failure (quote
> org-blocker-hook) change-plist) (narrow-to-region beg end) (goto-char
> pos))
>   (let ((beg ...) (end ...) (pos ...)) (prog2 (widen)
> (run-hook-with-args-until-failure ... change-plist) (narrow-to-region
> beg end) (goto-char pos)))
>   (org-with-wide-buffer (run-hook-with-args-until-failure (quote
> org-blocker-hook) change-plist))
> ...
>
> Can you please advise me on what (if anything) I should do next?
> Thanks in advance for your help!

See the thread
    
    http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/38966

It seems all you have to do is "git pull; make clean; make"
and restart your emacs.

Nick

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* Re: Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
  2011-03-08 23:25 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-03-09  0:35   ` Josh Berry
  2011-03-09  2:14     ` Nick Dokos
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berry @ 2011-03-09  0:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 15:25, Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:
> Josh Berry <des@condordes.net> wrote:
>
>> I just upgraded from org-mode 7.4 to 7.5, and I can't set or change
>> TODO states at all with C-c C-t now; an args-out-of-range error gets
>> raised.  I've tried doing a "make clean" in my org-mode checkout, to
>> no avail.
...
>> Can you please advise me on what (if anything) I should do next?
>> Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> See the thread
>
>    http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/38966
>
> It seems all you have to do is "git pull; make clean; make"
> and restart your emacs.

Unfortunately this doesn't help.  I did as you suggested -- switched
back to master, then did git pull; make clean; make all, and I can
still reproduce the problem.

I'm on commit 4090006ab124dd10698f21f1ee44c913b5faf990.

Thanks,
Josh

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* Re: Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
  2011-03-09  0:35   ` Josh Berry
@ 2011-03-09  2:14     ` Nick Dokos
  2011-03-09  3:11       ` Josh Berry
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-03-09  2:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Josh Berry; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode

Josh Berry <des@condordes.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 15:25, Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:
> > Josh Berry <des@condordes.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I just upgraded from org-mode 7.4 to 7.5, and I can't set or change
> >> TODO states at all with C-c C-t now; an args-out-of-range error gets
> >> raised. =C2=A0I've tried doing a "make clean" in my org-mode checkout, t=
> o
> >> no avail.
> ...
> >> Can you please advise me on what (if anything) I should do next?
> >> Thanks in advance for your help!
> >
> > See the thread
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/38966
> >
> > It seems all you have to do is "git pull; make clean; make"
> > and restart your emacs.
> 
> Unfortunately this doesn't help.  I did as you suggested -- switched
> back to master, then did git pull; make clean; make all, and I can
> still reproduce the problem.
> 

... and did you restart your emacs?

Nick

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* Re: Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
  2011-03-09  2:14     ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-03-09  3:11       ` Josh Berry
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berry @ 2011-03-09  3:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 18:14, Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:
> Josh Berry <des@condordes.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 15:25, Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:
>> > Josh Berry <des@condordes.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I just upgraded from org-mode 7.4 to 7.5, and I can't set or change
>> >> TODO states at all with C-c C-t now; an args-out-of-range error gets
>> >> raised. =C2=A0I've tried doing a "make clean" in my org-mode checkout, t=
>> o
>> >> no avail.
>> ...
>> >> Can you please advise me on what (if anything) I should do next?
>> >> Thanks in advance for your help!
>> >
>> > See the thread
>> >
>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/38966
>> >
>> > It seems all you have to do is "git pull; make clean; make"
>> > and restart your emacs.
>>
>> Unfortunately this doesn't help.  I did as you suggested -- switched
>> back to master, then did git pull; make clean; make all, and I can
>> still reproduce the problem.
>>
>
> ... and did you restart your emacs?

Yes. :P

:)

-- Josh

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* Re: Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
  2011-03-08 23:08 Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range" Josh Berry
  2011-03-08 23:25 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-03-09  5:49 ` David Maus
  2011-03-09  6:55   ` Carsten Dominik
  2011-03-09  9:59   ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: David Maus @ 2011-03-09  5:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Josh Berry; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

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At Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:08:57 -0800,
Josh Berry wrote:
>
> Hi list,
>
> I just upgraded from org-mode 7.4 to 7.5, and I can't set or change
> TODO states at all with C-c C-t now; an args-out-of-range error gets
> raised.  I've tried doing a "make clean" in my org-mode checkout, to
> no avail.
>
> I'm running GNU emacs 23.2.1 on Mac OSX (in Aqua), installed via
> Homebrew.  Debugger backtrace is pasted below.
>
> [[BTW, please forgive me if this isn't a well-formed bug report; I'm
> relatively new to Emacs and don't know Elisp.  Just let me know if you
> need anything else.]]

Just a fast comment: Couldn't this be a problem with the macro
`org-with-wide-buffer'?

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(defmacro org-with-wide-buffer (&rest body)
  "Execute body while temporarily widening the buffer."
  `(let ((beg (point-min)) (end (point-max)) (pos (point)))
     (prog2
	 (widen)
	 ,@body
       (narrow-to-region beg end)
       (goto-char pos))))
#+end_src

What if BODY inserts or deletes characters inside the narrowed region?
In this case the upper boundary of the region is no longer (point-max)
before executing body. Thus the buffer might be narrowed to the wrong
region after executing body. No, wait: If BODY inserts or deletes
something inside OR above the region the boundaries of the originally
narrowed region change, don't they?

This would explain the error: Buffer is narrowed to a region that
happens to end at eob.  BODY deletes something inside the region, eob
is decreased by the number of characters deleted. The call to
`narrow-to-region' tries to narrow to a region with an upper boundary
greater than eob -- and that's not possible.

Solution? Not sure. The function must take into account that BODY
modifies buffer in a way that changes buffer in a way that requires
adjustment of the region boundaries OR even in a way that removes the
part of buffer that contained the region.

So something like this would fix it: Store markers of beginning and
end of region. IIRC they will move with inserts and deletes. After
executing body narrow to position of these markers if they exist. If
marker for point-max is gone, use eob. If both are gone... Don't
narrow at all?

Best,

 -- David
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Jabber.... dmjena@jabber.org
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* Re: Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
  2011-03-09  5:49 ` David Maus
@ 2011-03-09  6:55   ` Carsten Dominik
  2011-03-09  7:16     ` Josh Berry
  2011-03-09  9:57     ` Bastien
  2011-03-09  9:59   ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2011-03-09  6:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David Maus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Josh Berry


On 9.3.2011, at 06:49, David Maus wrote:

> At Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:08:57 -0800,
> Josh Berry wrote:
>> 
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> I just upgraded from org-mode 7.4 to 7.5, and I can't set or change
>> TODO states at all with C-c C-t now; an args-out-of-range error gets
>> raised.  I've tried doing a "make clean" in my org-mode checkout, to
>> no avail.
>> 
>> I'm running GNU emacs 23.2.1 on Mac OSX (in Aqua), installed via
>> Homebrew.  Debugger backtrace is pasted below.
>> 
>> [[BTW, please forgive me if this isn't a well-formed bug report; I'm
>> relatively new to Emacs and don't know Elisp.  Just let me know if you
>> need anything else.]]
> 
> Just a fast comment: Couldn't this be a problem with the macro
> `org-with-wide-buffer'?
> 
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> (defmacro org-with-wide-buffer (&rest body)
>  "Execute body while temporarily widening the buffer."
>  `(let ((beg (point-min)) (end (point-max)) (pos (point)))
>     (prog2
> 	 (widen)
> 	 ,@body
>       (narrow-to-region beg end)
>       (goto-char pos))))
> #+end_src

This macro is indeed not written in a stable way and will
fail of the buffer gets modified with @body.
But Emacs already has save-restriction, so there is no
need to re-invent the wheel:

(defmacro org-with-wide-buffer (&rest body)
 "Execute body while temporarily widening the buffer."
 `(save-excursion
    (save-restriction
       (widen)
       ,@body)))

Cheers

- Carsten
> 
> What if BODY inserts or deletes characters inside the narrowed region?
> In this case the upper boundary of the region is no longer (point-max)
> before executing body. Thus the buffer might be narrowed to the wrong
> region after executing body. No, wait: If BODY inserts or deletes
> something inside OR above the region the boundaries of the originally
> narrowed region change, don't they?
> 
> This would explain the error: Buffer is narrowed to a region that
> happens to end at eob.  BODY deletes something inside the region, eob
> is decreased by the number of characters deleted. The call to
> `narrow-to-region' tries to narrow to a region with an upper boundary
> greater than eob -- and that's not possible.
> 
> Solution? Not sure. The function must take into account that BODY
> modifies buffer in a way that changes buffer in a way that requires
> adjustment of the region boundaries OR even in a way that removes the
> part of buffer that contained the region.
> 
> So something like this would fix it: Store markers of beginning and
> end of region. IIRC they will move with inserts and deletes. After
> executing body narrow to position of these markers if they exist. If
> marker for point-max is gone, use eob. If both are gone... Don't
> narrow at all?
> 
> Best,
> 
> -- David
> --
> OpenPGP... 0x99ADB83B5A4478E6
> Jabber.... dmjena@jabber.org
> Email..... dmaus@ictsoc.de

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* Re: Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
  2011-03-09  6:55   ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2011-03-09  7:16     ` Josh Berry
  2011-03-09  9:57     ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berry @ 2011-03-09  7:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: David Maus, emacs-orgmode

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 22:55, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 9.3.2011, at 06:49, David Maus wrote:
>
>> At Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:08:57 -0800,
>> Josh Berry wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I just upgraded from org-mode 7.4 to 7.5, and I can't set or change
>>> TODO states at all with C-c C-t now; an args-out-of-range error gets
>>> raised.  I've tried doing a "make clean" in my org-mode checkout, to
>>> no avail.
>>>
>>> I'm running GNU emacs 23.2.1 on Mac OSX (in Aqua), installed via
>>> Homebrew.  Debugger backtrace is pasted below.
>>>
>>> [[BTW, please forgive me if this isn't a well-formed bug report; I'm
>>> relatively new to Emacs and don't know Elisp.  Just let me know if you
>>> need anything else.]]
>>
>> Just a fast comment: Couldn't this be a problem with the macro
>> `org-with-wide-buffer'?
>>
>> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
>> (defmacro org-with-wide-buffer (&rest body)
>>  "Execute body while temporarily widening the buffer."
>>  `(let ((beg (point-min)) (end (point-max)) (pos (point)))
>>     (prog2
>>        (widen)
>>        ,@body
>>       (narrow-to-region beg end)
>>       (goto-char pos))))
>> #+end_src
>
> This macro is indeed not written in a stable way and will
> fail of the buffer gets modified with @body.
> But Emacs already has save-restriction, so there is no
> need to re-invent the wheel:
>
> (defmacro org-with-wide-buffer (&rest body)
>  "Execute body while temporarily widening the buffer."
>  `(save-excursion
>    (save-restriction
>       (widen)
>       ,@body)))

I just hacked your version of org-with-wide-buffer into my org-macs.el
file, and it appears to fix the problem.

Thanks!

-- Josh

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* Re: Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
  2011-03-09  6:55   ` Carsten Dominik
  2011-03-09  7:16     ` Josh Berry
@ 2011-03-09  9:57     ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-03-09  9:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: David Maus, emacs-orgmode, Josh Berry

Hi Carsten,

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> (defmacro org-with-wide-buffer (&rest body)
>  "Execute body while temporarily widening the buffer."
>  `(save-excursion
>     (save-restriction
>        (widen)
>        ,@body)))

Err... of course.  Stupid me.  Thanks for looking into this and for the
fix -- applied now.

Best,

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Version 7.5: C-c C-t <anything> fails with "args out of range"
  2011-03-09  5:49 ` David Maus
  2011-03-09  6:55   ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2011-03-09  9:59   ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-03-09  9:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David Maus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Josh Berry

Hi David,

David Maus <dmaus@ictsoc.de> writes:

> What if BODY inserts or deletes characters inside the narrowed region?
> In this case the upper boundary of the region is no longer (point-max)
> before executing body. Thus the buffer might be narrowed to the wrong
> region after executing body. No, wait: If BODY inserts or deletes
> something inside OR above the region the boundaries of the originally
> narrowed region change, don't they?
>
> This would explain the error: Buffer is narrowed to a region that
> happens to end at eob.  BODY deletes something inside the region, eob
> is decreased by the number of characters deleted. The call to
> `narrow-to-region' tries to narrow to a region with an upper boundary
> greater than eob -- and that's not possible.
>
> Solution? Not sure. The function must take into account that BODY
> modifies buffer in a way that changes buffer in a way that requires
> adjustment of the region boundaries OR even in a way that removes the
> part of buffer that contained the region.
>
> So something like this would fix it: Store markers of beginning and
> end of region. IIRC they will move with inserts and deletes. After
> executing body narrow to position of these markers if they exist. If
> marker for point-max is gone, use eob. If both are gone... Don't
> narrow at all?

Thanks for the analysis -- now I guess everyone better understand the
role of `save-restriction' and `save-excursion'. :)

-- 
 Bastien

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