C-u C-c C-x C-j to directly jump to the task with there is just one?

C-u C-c C-x C-j to directly jump to the task with there is just one?

[Bastien]

When the list of recent tasks only has one item, would it make sense to
directly jump to it?  Or maybe people use `C-u C-c C-x C-j' as a way to
check what has been done (without jumping to the task)?

-- 
 Bastien

Re: C-u C-c C-x C-j to directly jump to the task with there is just one?

[Bernt Hansen]

Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:

> When the list of recent tasks only has one item, would it make sense to
> directly jump to it?  Or maybe people use `C-u C-c C-x C-j' as a way to
> check what has been done (without jumping to the task)?

For the prefix only it would probably be okay to just jump there if
there is only a single match.  I've seen cases where there is the same
match for 3 entries (d - default clock task, i-interrupted task, and
c-current task (or [1] current task if you are not clocking now but that
never happens for me)  I guess we could ignore the current, default, and
interrupted tasks and only consider what is in the recent list.

I use this to change tasks I'm clocking (F11 = C-c C-x C-j).  I
occasionally use it with the prefix to jump to a task I was recently
clocking.  I don't think my list is ever empty since I save it between
Emacs restarts and my org-clock-history is set at 35.

I do sometimes use 'q' to bail out of the list without doing anything
(since 'q' is never a valid selection key but I should probably just use
C-g instead) -- I go to clock something else in and then change my mind
and find a new task to clock in elsewhere.

I would not want the default behaviour to change if you are selecting a
task to clock.  I'm okay with directly jumping for the prefix only case.

-Bernt

Re: Re: C-u C-c C-x C-j to directly jump to the task with there is just one?

[Carsten Dominik]

How about making RET an alias for either the task
currently being clocked, or the most recently clocked
one, or the default task, first one of this sequence
that exists?

Hmmm, not sure if this really makes a difference....

- Carsten


On Apr 21, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:

> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> When the list of recent tasks only has one item, would it make  
>> sense to
>> directly jump to it?  Or maybe people use `C-u C-c C-x C-j' as a  
>> way to
>> check what has been done (without jumping to the task)?
>
> For the prefix only it would probably be okay to just jump there if
> there is only a single match.  I've seen cases where there is the same
> match for 3 entries (d - default clock task, i-interrupted task, and
> c-current task (or [1] current task if you are not clocking now but  
> that
> never happens for me)  I guess we could ignore the current, default,  
> and
> interrupted tasks and only consider what is in the recent list.
>
> I use this to change tasks I'm clocking (F11 = C-c C-x C-j).  I
> occasionally use it with the prefix to jump to a task I was recently
> clocking.  I don't think my list is ever empty since I save it between
> Emacs restarts and my org-clock-history is set at 35.
>
> I do sometimes use 'q' to bail out of the list without doing anything
> (since 'q' is never a valid selection key but I should probably just  
> use
> C-g instead) -- I go to clock something else in and then change my  
> mind
> and find a new task to clock in elsewhere.
>
> I would not want the default behaviour to change if you are  
> selecting a
> task to clock.  I'm okay with directly jumping for the prefix only  
> case.
>
> -Bernt
>
>
>
>
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Re: Re: C-u C-c C-x C-j to directly jump to the task with there is just one?

[Bernt Hansen]

The current task [c] and the first task [1] are always the same aren't
they?  So using '1' for that already works.

Maybe a better solution is to make it work without the prefix?  Go to
the current clocking task and if there is none then go to the last
clocked task (if you can find it) otherwise issue the error we get now:
"org-clock-goto: No active clock"

That way you can just do C-c C-x C-j with no prefix and you are on the
last clocked task (whether it is clocking now or not.)

I don't see how adding RET for the menu which means the same as [1] will
really help.

-Bernt


Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> How about making RET an alias for either the task
> currently being clocked, or the most recently clocked
> one, or the default task, first one of this sequence
> that exists?
>
> Hmmm, not sure if this really makes a difference....
>
> - Carsten
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:
>
>> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>>> When the list of recent tasks only has one item, would it make
>>> sense to
>>> directly jump to it?  Or maybe people use `C-u C-c C-x C-j' as a
>>> way to
>>> check what has been done (without jumping to the task)?
>>
>> For the prefix only it would probably be okay to just jump there if
>> there is only a single match.  I've seen cases where there is the same
>> match for 3 entries (d - default clock task, i-interrupted task, and
>> c-current task (or [1] current task if you are not clocking now but
>> that
>> never happens for me)  I guess we could ignore the current, default,
>> and
>> interrupted tasks and only consider what is in the recent list.
>>
>> I use this to change tasks I'm clocking (F11 = C-c C-x C-j).  I
>> occasionally use it with the prefix to jump to a task I was recently
>> clocking.  I don't think my list is ever empty since I save it between
>> Emacs restarts and my org-clock-history is set at 35.
>>
>> I do sometimes use 'q' to bail out of the list without doing anything
>> (since 'q' is never a valid selection key but I should probably just
>> use
>> C-g instead) -- I go to clock something else in and then change my
>> mind
>> and find a new task to clock in elsewhere.
>>
>> I would not want the default behaviour to change if you are
>> selecting a
>> task to clock.  I'm okay with directly jumping for the prefix only
>> case.
>>
>> -Bernt
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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Re: Re: C-u C-c C-x C-j to directly jump to the task with there is just one?

[Carsten Dominik]

On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:

> The current task [c] and the first task [1] are always the same aren't
> they?  So using '1' for that already works.
>
> Maybe a better solution is to make it work without the prefix?  Go to
> the current clocking task and if there is none then go to the last
> clocked task (if you can find it) otherwise issue the error we get  
> now:
> "org-clock-goto: No active clock"
>
> That way you can just do C-c C-x C-j with no prefix and you are on the
> last clocked task (whether it is clocking now or not.)

This does make sense, and I have done it like this.

Bastien, is this to your liking as well?

Thanks.

- Carsten

>
> I don't see how adding RET for the menu which means the same as [1]  
> will
> really help.
>
> -Bernt
>
>
> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> How about making RET an alias for either the task
>> currently being clocked, or the most recently clocked
>> one, or the default task, first one of this sequence
>> that exists?
>>
>> Hmmm, not sure if this really makes a difference....
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:
>>
>>> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> When the list of recent tasks only has one item, would it make
>>>> sense to
>>>> directly jump to it?  Or maybe people use `C-u C-c C-x C-j' as a
>>>> way to
>>>> check what has been done (without jumping to the task)?
>>>
>>> For the prefix only it would probably be okay to just jump there if
>>> there is only a single match.  I've seen cases where there is the  
>>> same
>>> match for 3 entries (d - default clock task, i-interrupted task, and
>>> c-current task (or [1] current task if you are not clocking now but
>>> that
>>> never happens for me)  I guess we could ignore the current, default,
>>> and
>>> interrupted tasks and only consider what is in the recent list.
>>>
>>> I use this to change tasks I'm clocking (F11 = C-c C-x C-j).  I
>>> occasionally use it with the prefix to jump to a task I was recently
>>> clocking.  I don't think my list is ever empty since I save it  
>>> between
>>> Emacs restarts and my org-clock-history is set at 35.
>>>
>>> I do sometimes use 'q' to bail out of the list without doing  
>>> anything
>>> (since 'q' is never a valid selection key but I should probably just
>>> use
>>> C-g instead) -- I go to clock something else in and then change my
>>> mind
>>> and find a new task to clock in elsewhere.
>>>
>>> I would not want the default behaviour to change if you are
>>> selecting a
>>> task to clock.  I'm okay with directly jumping for the prefix only
>>> case.
>>>
>>> -Bernt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Re: C-u C-c C-x C-j to directly jump to the task with there is just one?

[Bernt Hansen]

One problem with that might be if people (including me) use C-c C-x C-j
to see if the clock is running :)

I've mapped F11 = C-c C-x C-j so I just hit that key all the time.  If
it beeps and says 'no active clock' then I know I have to start the
clock on something.  Jumping to the last clocked item when no clock is
running will change that behaviour (although I'm not sure that's really
bad)  I could (and probably should) just get in the habit of looking at
the modeline instead :)

-Bernt


Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:
>
>> The current task [c] and the first task [1] are always the same aren't
>> they?  So using '1' for that already works.
>>
>> Maybe a better solution is to make it work without the prefix?  Go to
>> the current clocking task and if there is none then go to the last
>> clocked task (if you can find it) otherwise issue the error we get
>> now:
>> "org-clock-goto: No active clock"
>>
>> That way you can just do C-c C-x C-j with no prefix and you are on the
>> last clocked task (whether it is clocking now or not.)
>
> This does make sense, and I have done it like this.
>
> Bastien, is this to your liking as well?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Carsten
>
>>
>> I don't see how adding RET for the menu which means the same as [1]
>> will
>> really help.
>>
>> -Bernt
>>
>>
>> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> How about making RET an alias for either the task
>>> currently being clocked, or the most recently clocked
>>> one, or the default task, first one of this sequence
>>> that exists?
>>>
>>> Hmmm, not sure if this really makes a difference....
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> When the list of recent tasks only has one item, would it make
>>>>> sense to
>>>>> directly jump to it?  Or maybe people use `C-u C-c C-x C-j' as a
>>>>> way to
>>>>> check what has been done (without jumping to the task)?
>>>>
>>>> For the prefix only it would probably be okay to just jump there if
>>>> there is only a single match.  I've seen cases where there is the
>>>> same
>>>> match for 3 entries (d - default clock task, i-interrupted task, and
>>>> c-current task (or [1] current task if you are not clocking now but
>>>> that
>>>> never happens for me)  I guess we could ignore the current, default,
>>>> and
>>>> interrupted tasks and only consider what is in the recent list.
>>>>
>>>> I use this to change tasks I'm clocking (F11 = C-c C-x C-j).  I
>>>> occasionally use it with the prefix to jump to a task I was recently
>>>> clocking.  I don't think my list is ever empty since I save it
>>>> between
>>>> Emacs restarts and my org-clock-history is set at 35.
>>>>
>>>> I do sometimes use 'q' to bail out of the list without doing
>>>> anything
>>>> (since 'q' is never a valid selection key but I should probably just
>>>> use
>>>> C-g instead) -- I go to clock something else in and then change my
>>>> mind
>>>> and find a new task to clock in elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> I would not want the default behaviour to change if you are
>>>> selecting a
>>>> task to clock.  I'm okay with directly jumping for the prefix only
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>> -Bernt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Re: C-u C-c C-x C-j to directly jump to the task with there is just one?

[Carsten Dominik]

On Apr 21, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:

> One problem with that might be if people (including me) use C-c C-x  
> C-j
> to see if the clock is running :)
>
> I've mapped F11 = C-c C-x C-j so I just hit that key all the time.  If
> it beeps and says 'no active clock' then I know I have to start the
> clock on something.  Jumping to the last clocked item when no clock is
> running will change that behaviour (although I'm not sure that's  
> really
> bad)  I could (and probably should) just get in the habit of looking  
> at
> the modeline instead :)

Yes, maybe.  Or use a special function that tests for

    (marker-buffer org-clock-marker)

I would even think a function to test for the clock without going  
there might be better for this purpose - because you will not always  
want to go there just for checking....

- Carsten

>
> -Bernt
>
>
> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:
>>
>>> The current task [c] and the first task [1] are always the same  
>>> aren't
>>> they?  So using '1' for that already works.
>>>
>>> Maybe a better solution is to make it work without the prefix?  Go  
>>> to
>>> the current clocking task and if there is none then go to the last
>>> clocked task (if you can find it) otherwise issue the error we get
>>> now:
>>> "org-clock-goto: No active clock"
>>>
>>> That way you can just do C-c C-x C-j with no prefix and you are on  
>>> the
>>> last clocked task (whether it is clocking now or not.)
>>
>> This does make sense, and I have done it like this.
>>
>> Bastien, is this to your liking as well?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>>
>>> I don't see how adding RET for the menu which means the same as [1]
>>> will
>>> really help.
>>>
>>> -Bernt
>>>
>>>
>>> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> How about making RET an alias for either the task
>>>> currently being clocked, or the most recently clocked
>>>> one, or the default task, first one of this sequence
>>>> that exists?
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, not sure if this really makes a difference....
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When the list of recent tasks only has one item, would it make
>>>>>> sense to
>>>>>> directly jump to it?  Or maybe people use `C-u C-c C-x C-j' as a
>>>>>> way to
>>>>>> check what has been done (without jumping to the task)?
>>>>>
>>>>> For the prefix only it would probably be okay to just jump there  
>>>>> if
>>>>> there is only a single match.  I've seen cases where there is the
>>>>> same
>>>>> match for 3 entries (d - default clock task, i-interrupted task,  
>>>>> and
>>>>> c-current task (or [1] current task if you are not clocking now  
>>>>> but
>>>>> that
>>>>> never happens for me)  I guess we could ignore the current,  
>>>>> default,
>>>>> and
>>>>> interrupted tasks and only consider what is in the recent list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use this to change tasks I'm clocking (F11 = C-c C-x C-j).  I
>>>>> occasionally use it with the prefix to jump to a task I was  
>>>>> recently
>>>>> clocking.  I don't think my list is ever empty since I save it
>>>>> between
>>>>> Emacs restarts and my org-clock-history is set at 35.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do sometimes use 'q' to bail out of the list without doing
>>>>> anything
>>>>> (since 'q' is never a valid selection key but I should probably  
>>>>> just
>>>>> use
>>>>> C-g instead) -- I go to clock something else in and then change my
>>>>> mind
>>>>> and find a new task to clock in elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would not want the default behaviour to change if you are
>>>>> selecting a
>>>>> task to clock.  I'm okay with directly jumping for the prefix only
>>>>> case.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Bernt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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