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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.78 X-Spam-Score: -7.78 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0DD8934E73 X-TUID: PSgLvEPxRXf9 --Apple-Mail=_914B820C-AF42-4CC7-801B-A8AA2668F78C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A possible way to preserve the feature (which has its merits in some = cases) would be the patches attached. Best, /PA --Apple-Mail=_914B820C-AF42-4CC7-801B-A8AA2668F78C Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Don-t-create-new-environment-if-org-beamer-frame-env.patch Content-Type: application/octet-stream; x-unix-mode=0644; name="0001-Don-t-create-new-environment-if-org-beamer-frame-env.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46rom=208cbc6e8fe4581bc9856d7928c6c5b153bab7c64b=20Mon=20Sep=2017=20= 00:00:00=202001=0AFrom:=20"Pedro=20A.=20Aranda"=20=0A= Date:=20Fri,=201=20Mar=202024=2017:06:24=20+0100=0ASubject:=20[PATCH=20= 1/3]=20Don't=20create=20new=20environment=20if=0A=20= org-beamer-frame-environment=20is=20'frame'=0A=0A---=0A=20= lisp/ox-beamer.el=20|=206=20++++--=0A=201=20file=20changed,=204=20= insertions(+),=202=20deletions(-)=0A=0Adiff=20--git=20= a/lisp/ox-beamer.el=20b/lisp/ox-beamer.el=0Aindex=20998810a28..1633191d2=20= 100644=0A---=20a/lisp/ox-beamer.el=0A+++=20b/lisp/ox-beamer.el=0A@@=20= -852,8=20+852,10=20@@=20holding=20export=20options."=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20= ;;=20Document=20class=20and=20packages.=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20= (org-latex-make-preamble=20info)=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20;;=20Define=20the=20= alternative=20frame=20environment.=0A-=20=20=20=20=20(format=20= "\\newenvironment<>{%s}[1][]{\\begin{frame}[environment=3D%1$s,#1]}{\\end{= frame}}\n"=0A-=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= org-beamer-frame-environment)=0A+=20=20=20=20=20;;=20Only=20makes=20= sense=20if=20the=20name=20for=20it=20is=20not=20"frame"=0A+=20=20=20=20=20= (unless=20(string=3D=20"frame"=20org-beamer-frame-environment)=0A+=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20(format=20= "\\newenvironment<>{%s}[1][]{\\begin{frame}[environment=3D%1$s,#1]}{\\end{= frame}}\n"=0A+=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= org-beamer-frame-environment))=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20;;=20Insert=20themes.=0A= =20=20=20=20=20=20(let=20((format-theme=0A=20=09=20=20=20=20(lambda=20= (prop=20command)=0A--=20=0A2.37.1=20(Apple=20Git-137.1)=0A=0A= --Apple-Mail=_914B820C-AF42-4CC7-801B-A8AA2668F78C Content-Disposition: attachment; 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charset=utf-8 > El 1 mar 2024, a las 17:03, Fraga, Eric escribi=C3=B3= : >=20 > On Friday, 1 Mar 2024 at 12:33, Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez wrote: >> I needed to go back to stock org-mode (as included in Emacs) because >> the =E2=80=98orgframe=E2=80=99 as defined right now kills my slide = decks. >> I have been using the construct >>=20 >> ** Title >> :PROPERTIES: >> :BEAMER_act: >> :END: >=20 > I do similar and hadn't realised that there had been any breaking > changes as, I guess, I haven't had to create a new slides since the > orgframe change came through. This is a rather serious breaking = change > and would affect hundreds of slides for me (two modules I teach not to > mention research talks). >=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t know how often the orgframe is needed (I haven=E2=80=99= t needed it in >> the last years of making my presentations with org-mode), but = wouldn=E2=80=99t >> it be more sensible to write >>=20 >> ** Title >> :PROPERTIES: >> :BEAMER_env: orgframe >> :END: >=20 > This sounds reasonable (to me). I didn't follow the orgframe = discussion > closely so cannot say whether this would achieve what motivated the > changes. >=20 > --=20 > : Eric S Fraga, with org release_9.6.19-1215-g67d937 in Emacs 30.0.50 --Apple-Mail=_914B820C-AF42-4CC7-801B-A8AA2668F78C--