Dividers in File

Dividers in File

[David A. Gershman]

In my org file, I have different sections setup.  I'd like to separate
the sections with comment dividers.  For example, I'd like to have:

#####################
# Section 1

* Heading 1
 * Heading 2
* Heading 3

# End Section 1
#####################

#####################
# Section 2

* Heading 1
 * Heading 2
* Heading 3

# End Section 2
#####################

But when I fold stuff, I get:

* Heading 1...
* Heading 3...
* Heading 1...
* Heading 3...

Notice the dividers got folded into the trees.  Any way to prevent this?

Thanks!

---------------
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Re: Dividers in File

[Eric Schulte]

Hi David,

Is there any Reason why you don't just make the dividers the first level
of headlines? -- Eric

"David A. Gershman" <dagershman@dagertech.net> writes:

> In my org file, I have different sections setup.  I'd like to separate
> the sections with comment dividers.  For example, I'd like to have:
>
> #####################
> # Section 1
>
> * Heading 1
>  * Heading 2
> * Heading 3
>
> # End Section 1
> #####################
>
> #####################
> # Section 2
>
> * Heading 1
>  * Heading 2
> * Heading 3
>
> # End Section 2
> #####################
>
> But when I fold stuff, I get:
>
> * Heading 1...
> * Heading 3...
> * Heading 1...
> * Heading 3...
>
> Notice the dividers got folded into the trees.  Any way to prevent this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ---------------
> David A. Gershman
> gershman@dagertech.net
> http://dagertech.net/gershman/
> "It's all about the path!" --d. gershman
>
>
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Re: Dividers in File

[Sebastian Rose]

Hi David,


"Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi David,
>
> Is there any Reason why you don't just make the dividers the first level
> of headlines? -- Eric


That's what I'd prefer too. I have customized the headline faces
heavily. An (old) screenshot is here:
http://orgmode.org/worg/code/org-info-js/img/emacs23-org.js.org.png

That seems more readable and less clutter to me. The document is folded
to the outline view - the text inside the sections uses a 'normal'
monospace face :-) - which is the one that column view uses.

If you use different setup files for emacs on X and emacs on console, a
similar setup can be used on a fairly modern OS.



Regards,

  Sebastian




> "David A. Gershman" <dagershman@dagertech.net> writes:
>
>> In my org file, I have different sections setup.  I'd like to separate
>> the sections with comment dividers.  For example, I'd like to have:
>>
>> #####################
>> # Section 1
>>
>> * Heading 1
>>  * Heading 2
>> * Heading 3
>>
>> # End Section 1
>> #####################
>>
>> #####################
>> # Section 2
>>
>> * Heading 1
>>  * Heading 2
>> * Heading 3
>>
>> # End Section 2
>> #####################
>>
>> But when I fold stuff, I get:
>>
>> * Heading 1...
>> * Heading 3...
>> * Heading 1...
>> * Heading 3...
>>
>> Notice the dividers got folded into the trees.  Any way to prevent this?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ---------------
>> David A. Gershman
>> gershman@dagertech.net
>> http://dagertech.net/gershman/
>> "It's all about the path!" --d. gershman
>>
>>
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Re: Dividers in File

[news.gmane.org]

Sebastian Rose schrieb:
> Hi David,
> 
> 
> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Is there any Reason why you don't just make the dividers the first level
>> of headlines? -- Eric
> 
> 
> That's what I'd prefer too. I have customized the headline faces
> heavily. An (old) screenshot is here:
> http://orgmode.org/worg/code/org-info-js/img/emacs23-org.js.org.png
> 
> That seems more readable and less clutter to me. The document is folded
> to the outline view - the text inside the sections uses a 'normal'
> monospace face :-) - which is the one that column view uses.
> 
> If you use different setup files for emacs on X and emacs on console, a
> similar setup can be used on a fairly modern OS.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   Sebastian
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> "David A. Gershman" <dagershman@dagertech.net> writes:
>>
>>> In my org file, I have different sections setup.  I'd like to separate
>>> the sections with comment dividers.  For example, I'd like to have:
>>>
>>> #####################
>>> # Section 1
>>>
>>> * Heading 1
>>>  * Heading 2
>>> * Heading 3
>>>
>>> # End Section 1
>>> #####################
>>>
>>> #####################
>>> # Section 2
>>>
>>> * Heading 1
>>>  * Heading 2
>>> * Heading 3
>>>
>>> # End Section 2
>>> #####################
>>>
>>> But when I fold stuff, I get:
>>>
>>> * Heading 1...
>>> * Heading 3...
>>> * Heading 1...
>>> * Heading 3...
>>>
>>> Notice the dividers got folded into the trees.  Any way to prevent this?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> ---------------
>>> David A. Gershman
>>> gershman@dagertech.net
>>> http://dagertech.net/gershman/
>>> "It's all about the path!" --d. gershman
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
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Hi Sebastian,

having had a look on the old screenshot I would also like to see how
this looks for my org files. Would you be so kind to share your face
settings?

Thanks,
Rainer

Re: Re: Dividers in File

[Matthew Lundin]

"news.gmane.org" <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes:

> Sebastian Rose schrieb:
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> 
>> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> Is there any Reason why you don't just make the dividers the first level
>>> of headlines? -- Eric
>> 
[snip]
>> 
>>> "David A. Gershman" <dagershman@dagertech.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> In my org file, I have different sections setup.  I'd like to separate
>>>> the sections with comment dividers.  For example, I'd like to have:
>>>>
>>>> #####################
>>>> # Section 1
>>>>
>>>> * Heading 1
>>>>  * Heading 2
>>>> * Heading 3
>>>>
>>>> # End Section 1
>>>> #####################
>>>>
>>>> #####################
>>>> # Section 2
>>>>
>>>> * Heading 1
>>>>  * Heading 2
>>>> * Heading 3
>>>>
>>>> # End Section 2
>>>> #####################
>>>>
>>>> But when I fold stuff, I get:
>>>>
>>>> * Heading 1...
>>>> * Heading 3...
>>>> * Heading 1...
>>>> * Heading 3...
>>>>
>>>> Notice the dividers got folded into the trees.  Any way to prevent this?

When I need quick dividers for better visibility, I adopt the approach
Eric mentions above. E.g., 

* ----section one------
* Heading one
* Heading two
* ----section two------
* Heading one
* Heading two

- Matt

Re: Re: Dividers in File

[Eddward DeVilla]

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On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> wrote:

> "news.gmane.org" <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes:
>
> > Sebastian Rose schrieb:
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >>
> >> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:
> >>> Hi David,
> >>>
> >>> Is there any Reason why you don't just make the dividers the first
> level
> >>> of headlines? -- Eric
> >>
> [snip]
> >>
> >>> "David A. Gershman" <dagershman@dagertech.net> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> In my org file, I have different sections setup.  I'd like to separate
> >>>> the sections with comment dividers.  For example, I'd like to have:
> >>>>
> >>>> #####################
> >>>> # Section 1
> >>>>
> >>>> * Heading 1
> >>>>  * Heading 2
> >>>> * Heading 3
> >>>>
> >>>> # End Section 1
> >>>> #####################
> >>>>
> >>>> #####################
> >>>> # Section 2
> >>>>
> >>>> * Heading 1
> >>>>  * Heading 2
> >>>> * Heading 3
> >>>>
> >>>> # End Section 2
> >>>> #####################
> >>>>
> >>>> But when I fold stuff, I get:
> >>>>
> >>>> * Heading 1...
> >>>> * Heading 3...
> >>>> * Heading 1...
> >>>> * Heading 3...
> >>>>
> >>>> Notice the dividers got folded into the trees.  Any way to prevent
> this?
>
> When I need quick dividers for better visibility, I adopt the approach
> Eric mentions above. E.g.,
>
> * ----section one------
> * Heading one
> * Heading two
> * ----section two------
> * Heading one
> * Heading two
>

I've considered that myself, but I just don't like the look of it.  More
than once I've wished  I could use something like the hline markup and get a
horizontal line that was scoped with the reset of the outline in the
org-buffer and on export.  So something like the following

#################

* foo 1
* foo 2

-----

* bar 1
*** bar 1.1
  -----
* bar 2

-----

* Baz!

################

would display as

################

* foo 1
* foo2

------------------    <= buffer or wrap wide, doesn't fold into foo2

* bar 1
*** bar 1.1
  --------------    <= buffer or wrap wide, doesn't fold into Bar 1.1 but
does fold into Bar 1

* bar 2

------------------    <= buffer or wrap wide, doesn't fold into foo2

* Baz!

################


I'd guess it might not be too hard with the right but I haven't been annoyed
enough to look into it.

Edd

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Re: Re: Dividers in File

[Carsten Dominik]

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On Nov 20, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Eddward DeVilla wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org>  
> wrote:
> "news.gmane.org" <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes:
>
> When I need quick dividers for better visibility, I adopt the approach
> Eric mentions above. E.g.,
>
> * ----section one------
> * Heading one
> * Heading two
> * ----section two------
> * Heading one
> * Heading two
>
> I've considered that myself, but I just don't like the look of it.   
> More than once I've wished  I could use something like the hline  
> markup and get a horizontal line that was scoped with the reset of  
> the outline in the org-buffer and on export.  So something like the  
> following
>
> #################
>
> * foo 1
> * foo 2
>
> -----
>
> * bar 1
> *** bar 1.1
>   -----
> * bar 2
>
> -----
>
> * Baz!
>
> ################
>
> would display as
>
> ################
>
> * foo 1
> * foo2
>
> ------------------    <= buffer or wrap wide, doesn't fold into foo2
>
> * bar 1
> *** bar 1.1
>   --------------    <= buffer or wrap wide, doesn't fold into Bar  
> 1.1 but does fold into Bar 1
>
> * bar 2
>
> ------------------    <= buffer or wrap wide, doesn't fold into foo2
>
> * Baz!
>
> ################
>
>
> I'd guess it might not be too hard with the right but I haven't been  
> annoyed enough to look into it.

It is not too hard to hack this, using org-cycle-hook:

(defun org-cycle-show-hlines (state)
   "Show hlines after visibility changes."
   (let ((re "^-----+$") beg end)
     (save-excursion
       (cond
        ((memq state '(overview contents t))
	(setq beg (point-min) end (point-max)))
        ((memq state '(children folded))
	(setq beg (point) end (org-end-of-subtree t t))))
       (when beg
	(goto-char beg)
	(while (re-search-forward re end t)
	  (outline-flag-region
	   (1- (match-beginning 0))
	   (progn (outline-next-heading) (point))
	   nil))))))

(eval-after-load "org"
   '(add-hook 'org-cycle-hook 'org-cycle-show-hlines 'append))

HTH

- Carsten

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Re: Re: Dividers in File

[Sebastian Rose]

Hi Rainer,


I simply used the customize interface for this. My current config has
changed a little, but here it is anyway. I feel it's the best to use
inheritance where ever possible, when it comes to faces. As you can see
below, I just have to change the font-family for `org-level-1', to
change it for all the headlines.

By the time I made the screenshot, I used different colors for the
headline levels.

This is in my .emacs:

=> --->8----------------------------->8----------------------------->8---
(custom-set-faces

  ;; ... lots of stuff omitted ...

 '(org-hide ((nil (:foreground "#ffffff"))))
 '(org-latex-and-export-specials ((((class color) (background light)) (:inherit fixed-pitch :foreground "SaddleBrown"))))
 '(org-level-1 ((((class color) (min-colors 88) (background light)) (:foreground "gray30" :weight bold :height 170 :family "DejaVu Sans"))))
 '(org-level-2 ((((class color) (min-colors 16) (background light)) (:inherit org-level-1 :height 150))))
 '(org-level-3 ((((class color) (min-colors 88) (background light)) (:inherit org-level-1 :height 130))))
 '(org-level-4 ((((class color) (min-colors 88) (background light)) (:inherit org-level-1 :height 110))))
 '(org-level-5 ((((class color) (min-colors 16) (background light)) (:inherit org-level-4))))
 '(org-level-6 ((((class color) (min-colors 16) (background light)) (:inherit org-level-4))))
 '(org-level-7 ((((class color) (min-colors 16) (background light)) (:inherit org-level-4))))
 '(org-level-8 ((((class color) (min-colors 16) (background light)) (:inherit org-level-4))))
 '(org-link ((t (:foreground "RoyalBlue" :slant italic :family "DejaVu Serif"))))

  ;; ... lots of stuff omitted ...

)
<= ---8<-----------------------------8<-----------------------------8<---


And I have this here set:

(setq org-odd-levels-only t)



Regards,

  Sebastian


"news.gmane.org" <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes:
>
> Hi Sebastian,
>
> having had a look on the old screenshot I would also like to see how
> this looks for my org files. Would you be so kind to share your face
> settings?
>
> Thanks,
> Rainer


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Re: Dividers in File

[David A. Gershman]

Not really...just seeing if another way is possible for familiar looks
back from my coding days.

> Hi David,
> 
> Is there any Reason why you don't just make the dividers the first level
> of headlines? -- Eric
> 
> "David A. Gershman" <dagershman@dagertech.net> writes:
> 
> > In my org file, I have different sections setup.  I'd like to separate
> > the sections with comment dividers.  For example, I'd like to have:
> >
> > #####################
> > # Section 1
> >
> > * Heading 1
> >  * Heading 2
> > * Heading 3
> >
> > # End Section 1
> > #####################
> >
> > #####################
> > # Section 2
> >
> > * Heading 1
> >  * Heading 2
> > * Heading 3
> >
> > # End Section 2
> > #####################
> >
> > But when I fold stuff, I get:
> >
> > * Heading 1...
> > * Heading 3...
> > * Heading 1...
> > * Heading 3...
> >
> > Notice the dividers got folded into the trees.  Any way to prevent this?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > ---------------
> > David A. Gershman
> > gershman@dagertech.net
> > http://dagertech.net/gershman/
> > "It's all about the path!" --d. gershman
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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