Re: worg for bug reports and feature requests was: (Regression testing for org-mode)

[Robert Goldman <rpgoldman@sift.info>]

Eric Schulte wrote:
> Robert Goldman <rpgoldman@sift.info> writes:
> 
>> Avdi Grimm wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Eric Schulte <schulte.eric@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Also, should we start tracking bug reports somewhere (worg), so that
>>>> they can be claimed, tested against, and repaired?
>>> Not a bad idea.  Normally I'd recommend just going with an established
>>> bug tracker like Trac or Lighthouse, but since Org is so great for
>>> managing tasks it seems only right that the developers should "eat
>>> their own dogfood" by using Org to track tickets :-)
>>>
>> Actually, I'm not sure I necessarily agree with the notion of using Org
>> to track tickets.  The reason is not that org mightn't be up to the job,
>> but that the use of org with git won't be up to it.  systems like trac
>> and bugzilla are set up to allow outsiders to post bugs, but if we use
>> git, then we're really raising the bar for bug submission.  Instead of
>> filling out a form, a bug reporter would now have to figure out how to
>> use git, pull the org file, modify it, and then either push it (which
>> would require someone to authorize him or her) or submit it to someone
>> else who would push it.  That seems inappropriate to me --- when you're
>> developing software a good bug report is very valuable, and one
>> shouldn't turn them away.
>>
>> Unless someone can figure out an easier way for people to submit bugs
>> with what worg has now, I'm inclined to say that trac or bugzilla would
>> be better.
>>
> 
> Yes, you're correct the current method of contributing to worg is
> definitely too high of a bar for bug reports, or feature requests.  That
> said once they were submitted, worg would be a good mechanism for
> tracking reported bugs/features, and for publishing lists of said
> reports on the web.  Worg/org has the added advantage that it is already
> familiar to the entire org community.
> 
> As you mention, the question seem to be: can we implement a simple
> interface for reporting bugs/feature-recs which will?
> 
> 1) work well with worg as it's currently used, and 
> 2) which won't constantly be begging for enhancements until we're
>    re-implementing a full bug tracking system from scratch
> 
> I don't think this would be too difficult, say...
> 
>   a simple web form, which could be embedded into one of the worg pages,
>   and could drop bug/feature-recs into an org-mode file under git.
>   Would anyone be up to trying to throw such a thing together?  If only
>   I had some more time...
> 



I don't mean to seem like a party-pooper, but I would suggest that we
not do this.  Getting even the simple web form done right involves
thinking hard about dealing with spam bots, people trying to hack your
site, etc.  The people who built bugzilla and trac (and apache) have a
lot more experience with this kind of issue than we do (at least
speaking for myself), and have had a lot of time to shake the kinks out.
 If you want a real ticket system, I'd suggest using one of these rather
than rolling another one.

Best,
r