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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1624272110; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=zq2P/PWRkVHMiS7j66GMbSl2lFlCa+VsMSgD4FiLduI=; b=Btw7n/Jxa/imqESWbnOx5KJfNhRABBQU2OgQeJkZaTo7gzWQrwkUJxv+VoQv4th+V47K4S j5tYx5MSi3ltcB1wxXEINQqPwRc3ctvZPJ19EkIbIIR400NCtzFOB4iKRLnHTKEZS++8oy YOmZX8ect8KjMPf3ONAUFyVqdfI7HpBdbqylFh5MKXhEKR4Duy1XE6cahqHRy3K6NRbj4i Kbmc7Y5nG5vfnKelL+7zloJzFstiTgC8LVBoMUloi58tkoOK34fUH5/aywVqfF6Jj6S+Pg m1waVDxO7bO91oB4HOuCE6vtiqh/mlPmrAeoTzCP1edDQ2AkvfIM8ORm1ubsCA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1624272110; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nCuCVcATrmfDdEZ33aSI51l6BefyushRstNNI+ZewbX8L22/4KhsWCGxBudprnoeHX4qI1 Sl2w9MQAusyS5jTWBEsWXcAQ3XeeJWC/vlIPEWgyBIzd2IdOh+PjWDur1J4/U3djeBNFqn qz/dzG/O1I4+SCMPbtqx1LhS9FY9UeC1UKLKTHxWhgfH12+IzHjuKPftxQurbaoCIpXvR+ ZzzLYw+zSajzgAg5kndNrmwz72lzZffUhRPaH1s3wvZ7YYPfaLLeSGaPR3SPtpq5yjFmZd G7Fbuczth9VbWduGsxUUVX3/2+WueTFYvJLmEctgp8ikVyY/UTp/+x0NHe/B2g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=iZH32GvZ; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=dfhXVLpl; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=iZH32GvZ; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=dfhXVLpl; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BBEC81DC4E X-Spam-Score: -3.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: tqWw0bgv2kC8 Hi, Am 21.06.2021 um 10:45 schrieb Nicolas Goaziou: > Hello, > > Denis Maier writes: > >> Using a space for this is perhaps too subtle as you say. Also, the >> question is which one should be the default. I'd actually suggest to >> turn it around: >> >> "A quotation ending without punctuation"[cite: @hoel-71-whole]. >> "A quotation ending with a period" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. >> >> Reason for this: People who don't care for this distinction---either >> because they use en-us only, or because they never switch from in-text >> to notes styles---will probably prefer to have a space between >> quotation and citation (in input and output). > > People who don't care for this distinction can write > > "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. > "A quotation ending with a period" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. > > So I guess the default doesn't matter in this case? That's probably correct. > >> What about some sort of escaping for punctuation that should stay >> outside the quotation marks? >> "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]\. >> >> But, of course, that's imperfect as well. Don't know which option is >> less odd. > > Actual usage may tell. I implemented the spacing-tweak in > "wip-cite-new". You (and others) may want to try it out on real > documents and see if it feels somewhat natural. Ok, let's see if others have comments. I can for now at least confirm that this works as intended. Thanks again for all your work! Best, Denis > > Regards, >