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From: Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [ANN] BREAKING CHANGE -- removing #+BABEL file-wide property
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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:51:32 -0400
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Eric Schulte <schulte.eric@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
> 
> > Eric Schulte <schulte.eric@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have just pushed up a change to the Org-mode git repository which
> >> removes support for #+BABEL lines.  Please use the more general
> >> #+PROPERTIES lines instead.
> >> 
> >
> > Coming late to the dance - sorry. I think that's very confusing.
> > "Property" is an overloaded term in org: we now have the :PROPERTIES:
> > drawer, the #+PROPERTY line and the #+PROPERTIES line (singular and
> > plural forms are already pretty bad).
> 
> Do the #+PROPERTY and #+PROPERTIES lines have different semantics?

I think so: see section 7.1 for a use of the former. AFAICT, the latter
only applies to code block header arguments.

> 
> > Also, there is the general concept of properties (the stuff that the
> > property API applies to).
> >
> > Unless there is an underlying unity of which I'm unaware, I'd strongly
> > suggest another term - perhaps CODE_BLOCK_HEADER_ARGUMENTS (plus
> > an easy-template for easy insertion). 
> >
> 
> Code blocks already piggy-back off of subtree properties pulling their
> header arguments out of the properties specified on the subtree level.
> Given that header arguments and properties are already thus interleaved
> I believe that properties should be used on the file-wide level as well,
> rather than introducing another synonymous keyword which adds no new
> functionality.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 

Yes, but the #+PROPERTIES line has nothing to do with org properties. It
*only* affects code blocks, no?

Nick