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X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.49 X-TUID: UI49ehFohbr1 I can't help but chime in here. Using email for project management, patches, testing, etc is not difficult or unusual. In fact, the Linux kernel uses email for this purpose. They have a variety of reasons which were recently covered in some articles. Clearly their code base and number of developers is overwhelmingly larger than Org, so we must be doing something right. https://lwn.net/Articles/702177/ https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2016/talks/patches-carved-into-stone-tablets/ My personal opinion is I'd always prefer to use my mail client over some website. I've personally chosen what I think is the best mail client, where I can easily sort and read mail from mailing lists. It has a fast interface, easy to read, and is incredibly consistent (yay Mutt!). I can also rapidly edit (in Emacs!) my replies. I can send an email in a matter of keystrokes, blindly typing. Compare that to most websites where I have to wait forever for all the crap javascript to load, forfeit my privacy to all the trackers and cookies, and then manage to figure out how their site works. Once done I'm thrown into a significantly inferior editor box to try and type or paste information in. From that point, I can only use their website to manage my submission. The irony that these websites will often notify me *by email* that something has occurred. I clearly don't agree that adding a website somehow makes issue tracking or patch submission magically easier to manage or submit bug information compared to email. If you have feedback, please don't hesitate to just send an email to the list with your questions or comments. This is easily one of my favorite lists and very welcoming even to controversial opinions. On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:58:26AM -0400, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > Regardless, doing issue tracking, discussion, and patch submission on a ML > in 2020 is pretty odd and inefficient. > > I would have submitted feedback here 6-12 months earlier than I did if org > had a proper issue tracker. > > On Tue, May 19, 2020, 3:35 AM wrote: > > > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 06:13:38PM -0500, James R Miller wrote: > > > Doesn’t Gogs have a nice issue tracker functionality? > > > > I looked up Gogs. Needs javascript *and* cookies. Wake me up when > > there's a plain, straight service which works without any of them. > > > > Cheers > > -- t > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3