From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Karl Voit Subject: Re: OT: Gmail and cloud-dependencies Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 15:55:56 +0100 Message-ID: <2015-01-11T15-53-08@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> References: <87k31acov5.fsf@pierrot.dokosmarshall.org> <99D74CD0-215E-463F-86BE-21BD99809341@agrarianresearch.org> <2014-12-31T11-24-01@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <2014-12-31T14-37-55@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87fvbvonrp.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <2015-01-01T17-21-17@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87wq55cv2d.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <874ms99slv.fsf@rudin.co.uk> <2015-01-02T17-46-25@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <86oaqg8f79.fsf@rudin.co.uk> <2015-01-11T11-44-39@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <86y4p9345v.fsf@rudin.co.uk> Reply-To: Karl Voit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50078) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAJw8-0005Wo-AH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:56:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAJw4-0007FL-8w for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:56:16 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:48047) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAJw4-0007FB-1t for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:56:12 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YAJw2-0004I5-Nj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 15:56:10 +0100 Received: from friends.grml.info ([136.243.234.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 15:56:10 +0100 Received: from news1142 by friends.grml.info with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 15:56:10 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org * Paul Rudin wrote: > Karl Voit writes: > >> * Paul Rudin wrote: >>> >>> Sure, but that kind of thing could happen with pretty much any third >>> party service. >> >> Yes. That's the point, when you do not consider open source services >> as third party services. > > Aren't you mixing up two different things here? Suppose google were to > open source all the code behind gmail. That wouldn't really change the > situation for users if the service suddenly disappeared. Oh, I disagree. I think that this would change a *lot*. Consider the possibility that I can select who is hosting the service and my data. As a side-effect: my data is not locked in at all. I can backup/migrate whenever/wherever I want. Believe it or not: the mail system is meant to be like that with good reason :-) -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github