From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marcin Borkowski Subject: Re: Org Tutorials need more structure Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:37:41 +0200 Message-ID: <20130928103741.7c99ce05@aga-netbook> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37393) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPq2A-00082m-OE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:37:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPq25-0006pc-69 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:37:50 -0400 Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([2001:808:114:2::50]:58742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPq24-0006pY-UV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:37:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25494AA3D for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:37:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5TONs3BzpIXE for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:37:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aga-netbook (99-52.echostar.pl [213.156.99.52]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA9664AA3A for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:37:42 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 09:22:02 Joseph Vidal-Rosset napisa=C5=82(a): > Hi Dominik, hi everyone, >=20 > Thank you for org-mode and thanks to all who contribute to this > project. >=20 > I am a newby to org-mode , I am an emacs user for LaTeX, mainly, and I > would be happy to use more and more emacs, so org-mode seems very > attractive. >=20 > I imagine that writing a tutorial is a big work and I hope that I > will not offend people who have taken this time. But I must say that > the org-mode manual and the tutorials that I have tried to read are > not enough progressive for beginners and do not take care of > difference between interests of people. >=20 > Example: I am presently mainly interested to see if it is possible to > use gnus to write a scientific letter with all conveniences of > texlive. Of course I can open a tex file with letter class and send > to my colleague a pdf file. But it would be more convenient to write > an email and using conversions to html and png images to send to him > directly this email. I guess it is possilbe to do it with gnus. But > the documentation is esoteric: I hear about links, but how it works > concretly with example understanble by a newby ... mystery. It is > therefore frustrating and quickly discouraging. >=20 > So, in my opinion, a good tutorial is divided into precise tasks and > speaks like that: > "You need to do that? So, follow me , from step to step, I will > going to show you how I succeed to do what you want to do, and by > imitation, you will also succeed ! " A good tutorial avoids to > suppose that the reader is already an expert. >=20 > In a word, too much tutorial in org-mode lack of pedagogical efforts. >=20 > Sorry to be speak so frankly, but I hope it will help. >=20 > Waiting your help with gnus - latex and conversion in html , etc. etc. >=20 > All the best >=20 > Jo. Well, from what I heard, Gnus is a bad example - it seems to be notoriously difficult to get into. OTOH, with Org-mode it is much better - I found even the manual *very* accessible, at least for a long-time Emacs user. Best, --=20 Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University