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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sebastien.miquel@posteo.eu Cc: org-mode-email Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1642320594; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=uxlRgGwlAZVnrquxS+c6eULg7s6fp7KpYajXthltmjY=; b=HJUV1Hime8yPbeA51KDqeycCMTWV6SCcw0EhGWaosg8VBBasJVPaLZIiC/mvMSpOg4sc8h wXmiza0a7OyR3RcaWOJjgXRtj29bMeVKgv3gucJzKjPQOqmZCgOK4vuHfhtP2hBlW/auoq sIbGqMv+Dc50ocoQNokEdV8H1iClCsUyJE8DiFk4yOjMVxuQg4fYcun/ZFixIDmeyf6lZY cyinnUlrxqJ/D+qb/n/8uEgI9xZ7AYMg6AJxU9BZMy7hubGgshtuxlvqXbZ282Bb6QbJGg 3XTT21W0W0P89cRREUc6ET+trBql7kYOwuBMozDJTRk3Seodaidea52VwSwuAA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1642320594; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=snFatX0kmCDxig6fcZqHEHex3sx6eG25lGbLMaMCx2/y96X+NY7clSIewtuudkQzsJJlqC 4J7saULuep7JleC/UiXxK7IUDNN6sGqVZEqkVe56odh6XE5ncJOwkhH/3UdRGI5KVZI/X9 uTsFRYSqnQvY/J9DTIj5FB0DVD0sRULY6LnY6my1kHcMgXC+NEJvHJpAsQEs1fyw8bF2Y7 HIerttu9uBRAYA0qRLbEudrc40IQIW4wsABZsgci/P50wz+TXguEo6S4nP3JEvRCCvFtmK q9v+/W+O80AvAS+SYV2PFByjrBEwB8arJYdD8xGvK1BDBrOHFxTfWtBo1dcdww== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.eu header.s=2017 header.b=WA3bDrc8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.52 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.eu header.s=2017 header.b=WA3bDrc8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7E7F9A620 X-Spam-Score: -4.52 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: ew4EuOnWosF3 Hi, With respect to readability, I only mean to point out that the $…$ syntax is one less character, and that the \(\) characters are quite overloaded. > this is a good opportunity to point out that $/$$ are very much second > class citizens in LaTeX now, no matter what you may see in old documents. The posts that you quote are 10 years old. As per [0] (2020), there will be no LaTeX3. Nor is it only old documents that use the $…$ syntax : looking for learning ressources (see [1]), everything that I find uses it. That includes The Not So Short Introduction to LaTeX [2] (2021) and https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics. Although I have no evidence of this, my expectation is that the majority of tex users use the $…$ syntax (it is in fact widely used outside of tex: in most markdown flavors and texmacs for example). I also expect that a significant proportion of tex users are not aware of the \(…\) syntax. I think here of users that are less tech literate than most of this mailing list. Regards, [0]: https://www.latex-project.org/publications/2020-FMi-TUB-tb128mitt-quovadis.pdf [1]: https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/11/what-are-good-learning-resources-for-a-latex-beginner [2]: https://ctan.tetaneutral.net/info/lshort/english/lshort.pdf -- Sébastien Miquel