Re: org-mode + icicles, avoid key binding redefinitions?

[Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>]

> > > Perhaps it's better to report this as an Emacs bug so that
> > > we can discuss the issue with Emacs maintainers and see
> > > what's really at stake here.
> >
> > Since you are familiar with whatever bindings Org sets, and
> > you have read the key-binding conventions section of the
> > manual, please file a bug if you think it is appropriate.
> > You are well placed to give the details.
> >
> > > For me, the keybindings are already too deeply in my
> > > memory to consider removing them -- but perhaps that's me.
> >
> > Consideration of whether to fix bugs should not be based
> > on your habits or memory.  (I am not claiming there is an
> > Org bug here - I don't know.  That's for you to judge.)
> 
> It is only discouraged,

Dunno what that means.  It's not a criminal offense, no.

But the rules as written do not say anything about "only
discouraging" breaking them.  You can take the rules as
only guidelines/etiquette or as rules you really do not
want to break.  No one will arrest you for disrespecting
any of them.

> so it's not a bug IMO.  And I don't want to push for this
> change, so I won't fill a bug report.

That was probably also the outcome from the last time this
came up, a few years back. ;-)

_You_ suggested (above) that this should be reported as an
Emacs bug.  But you also don't want to push for it to be
fixed or report it, yourself.  So be it.

I would encourage someone else familiar with whatever Org
actually does in this regard (which is not me) to consider
filing an Emacs bug report, _if_ Org does in fact violate
the keybinding conventions.

Perhaps such Org bindings existed before Org was added to
Emacs, and perhaps when it was added no one noticed any
disrespect of the rules (it was a big chunk to add).  Dunno.
In any case, old habits are not a good reason not to fix
incompatibilities with other packages.

At any rate, let us not hear any more about this or that
3rd-party minor-mode code "clobbering" such bindings, if
those bindings were created improperly by a major mode.
These are bindings reserved for _minor_ modes.

A major mode that messes with such bindings is the one doing
any "clobbering".  That is the case no matter how popular
the major mode is or how much the unfortunate bindings might
be ingrained in someone's memory.