From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id 7w3TDCeZ1V86XAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 04:31:35 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id 0DoGCCeZ1V/5CAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 04:31:35 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 907BD9402A8 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 04:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:39016 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koJ2h-0007K9-NQ for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 23:31:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39262) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koJ1w-0007Ju-0O for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 23:30:44 -0500 Received: from server173-4.web-hosting.com ([68.65.122.210]:55023) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koJ1s-0004R9-Lm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 23:30:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=isnotmyreal.name; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Date:MIME-Version:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=wGcpiKoP8nCRJJl5UHU8HilAnnT2cnJlovnFIKtqkNk=; b=rCX2oY+BKP2PbmQaa4P8EzkB76 iy0A4xjbeYVyt0DSL2tre02y01iVrKt/5j1ZYajr+Pu7TboaE8iLovPI1KrdRzTd0hXhnV05ITJ4b VdRvHj9ryLplZiiG51fF+9yiQ+PYH/eGwYqdrJJ2oe8rafLfJFiDUfslfq5Rerxmn7NNRUJfpXRfb k4SwgUmDQbZ0M1t66WxuoVYoXy/EhyWlAiCBz1ggYTUpUc54hJfqp49McckNS7dCMgksk1o+Ejz7g zHxhj3CzU9djPV+OIGi1ffvBzz/2aZYjA3/ghoC6x+nVrOW6+3+NCbvZF1cDFcNpBeY19WFstOx79 mjR06D6A==; Received: from [::1] (port=37566 helo=server173.web-hosting.com) by server173.web-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1koJ1l-000azO-Hb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 23:30:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 23:30:33 -0500 From: TRS-80 To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed In-Reply-To: References: <87y2i2ttl7.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1a4f7d7b925c853e381437ebc5fa1502@isnotmyreal.name> X-Sender: lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server173.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - isnotmyreal.name X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server173.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name X-Authenticated-Sender: server173.web-hosting.com: lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Received-SPF: pass client-ip=68.65.122.210; envelope-from=lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name; helo=server173-4.web-hosting.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.30 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=isnotmyreal.name header.s=default header.b=rCX2oY+B; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 907BD9402A8 X-Spam-Score: -1.30 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: wprF35VuKmS6 On 2020-12-12 22:49, pietru@caramail.com wrote: > TRS-80 wrote: >> >> Are there any more to these templates you did not show? >> >> Because, (and unless I am missing something) what I see are >> essentially >> all the same (and quite simple). You would end up with something like >> the following in your target file (with the cursor ending up at the >> x): > > It was an example for long agenda option. Wanted to send a basic one > without the details that could bother you. The real one will have > information regarding Site_Type [Domestic, Funerary, Water-Related, > Settlement]. But we don't have the things in org though. It's no bother. In fact I am already thinking ahead as to the structure of the data, which is the most important consideration. Choice of tool(s) should flow from that, and also from the desired workflow, instead of the other way around. Just so you know, you /could/ have the things in Org, if you wanted to (or even in a separate plain text file, and use that as input for your narrowing selection list). Maybe they change, or there are other reasons, but you could have the options in a list to choose from. This sort of thing reduce typos and errors. You could limit to such list strictly, or not (the latter allowing flexibility to add things on the fly). >> If all my assumptions above are true, I think you would probably be >> better served with a simple completing-read (or similar) function to >> select the "Investigation Type" from a list and then simply insert >> that >> along with a timestamp. Which it will take you longer to reply to >> this >> email and confirm than it would take me to write such a function. :) > > Yes, I know about " %^{Investigation Type: |Site > Stabilization|Heritage Management|Environment Research} %?\n" I am beginning to suspect you have bigger data and more options than fit comfortably into a capture template. I could be wrong, but in my mind at least, the idea of capture templates is to quickly store small ideas, notes, TODOs, etc. so you can go back to what you were working on in the first place, with minimal interruption to your original train of thought. > Data can then be parsed into database once we get tho data files at > home > base. True, however well designed "capture" mechanism (in reality, data structure) will make this job much easier. > What sort of thing better than template capture? My basic idea was to > see > what org tools are available, see what kind of problems me get to, > without > asking too much things specific to us. We can then work through things > ourselves. Perhaps share them with some other organisations. As I mentioned in last mail, I think Org Properties might be more what you might be looking for. You may or may not even need any custom Elisp in addition to that. >> [1] https://orgmode.org/manual/Properties-and-Columns.html Try and just play around with that, create some heading and do org-set-property and then enter a key and value. If you want to set a list to choose from, you put at top of file something like: #+PROPERTY: Investigation_Type_ALL Site_Stabilize Heritage_Management #+PROPERTY: District_ALL 1 2 3 #+PROPERTY: Site_Type_ALL Domestic Funerary Water-Related Settlement [...] You may need to press C-c C-c within the above to re-load and make it live. If you like something like that, it's easy to copy blank template and just open new one for each survey or whatever you are doing and go from there. And then here is where Emacs and Orgmode really shine, as they are unparalleled as note taking tools. You can include pictures, tables, etc. headlines and lists, etc. But you probably know all that already. Cheers, TRS-80