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Content-Language: en-US, ru-RU To: Bastien Guerry , Ihor Radchenko Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org References: <87o7omg4ie.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> <87pm91ngb8.fsf@localhost> <87jzz8f3re.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> <87mt43agk6.fsf@localhost> <874jq8ohbr.fsf@localhost> <87bkfip3mo.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0odrkbp.fsf@localhost> <875y5pvf04.fsf@bzg.fr> From: Max Nikulin Mail-Followup-To: Bastien Guerry , Ihor Radchenko , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <875y5pvf04.fsf@bzg.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::132; envelope-from=manikulin@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x132.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-4.14, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 387CC4BE73 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.50 X-Spam-Score: -2.50 X-TUID: 99byCAuFBi10 On 08/08/2023 20:29, Bastien Guerry wrote: > The definition of a new function is not a side-effect > that affects Emacs editing behavior, so Babel and export libs are > OK. Function definition is not side effect when load library is requested. However it is a side effect of hitting TAB in Emacs help prompt. Completion of a variable or a function should not modify Org behavior. Loading of a file is not explicitly requested by the user in this case. I would disregard however function definitions, however changes in key bindings and recognized plain text links may be surprising to users who just tries to read help.