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List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (body hash did not verify) header.d=iki.fi header.s=lahtoruutu header.b=RZ+go6GM; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of notmuch-bounces@notmuchmail.org designates 144.217.243.247 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=notmuch-bounces@notmuchmail.org X-Spam-Score: 3.53 X-TUID: WiiQ9UnrRvBR On Fri, Jul 03 2020, David Bremner wrote: > Daniel Kahn Gillmor writes: > >> But if the sender is in TZ=Europe/Berlin, i would see: >> >> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:22:36 -0400 [Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:22:36 +0200] >> >> (Note that RFC 5322 Date format shows the hour offset, but not the >> actual TZ -- i can't tell from -0400 whether someone is in >> TZ=America/New_York or TZ=America/Manaus) >> >> Is there anyone who would complain about this just being the default >> behavior -- with no additional settings to change? > > The bikeshed must be blue! Uh, I mean what about narrowish screens (80 > columns or so) and or deeply indented threads? After very casual read-thru we have had similar discussion in thread starting id:1427132722-20346-1-git-send-email-tomi.ollila@iki.fi https://nmbug.notmuchmail.org/nmweb/search/id%3A1427132722-20346-1-git-send-email-tomi.ollila%40iki.fi I've been patching my notmuch-emacs interface with that ever since, using https://github.com/domo141/nottoomuch/blob/master/build/01-date-local.patch The Date header from David's email looked to me as Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:58:23 -0300 (Sat, 04 Jul 2020 01:58:23 +0300) (and fits fine in 80-column terminal window ;D -- 72 chars used -- when indent or replies with > goes too deep, everything wraps (or gets cut)...) Anyway, there are good comments in that thread -- and every now and then I've tried to figure out a bit different way to "solve" this -- but as my workaround work I've usually stopped short on that. For me the interests are to know what time the user sent the email (their timezone) and how that relates the time the other emails I've received (my timezone) -- not too much the (exact) location sender is... > > d Tomi