From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5136B431FB6 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 04:40:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at olra.theworths.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=disabled Received: from olra.theworths.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (olra.theworths.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ni5-M8GuNiKW for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 04:40:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19E76431FAE for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 04:40:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M731J-1Svvfz2JAj-00xMmv; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 13:40:18 +0100 Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id ge1so1091641lbb.26 for ; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 04:40:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.46.161 with SMTP id w1mr8297570lam.27.1354970417805; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 04:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.108.7 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 04:40:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <50c16b03.47e2440a.6038.ffffedce@mx.google.com> <50C1AEA0.9090508@gmail.com> <50C1F5C3.6010201@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 13:40:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gmail importer script From: Rainer M Krug To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec55408906f390304d056a254 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:LEXdKncTpzqHMJ/7eCW2QQ25Ti8TD7pQFo5Z4NuM8eX 4jydoQyBG3iZWllTg3tCCQOktsX10VvIXiUFThW/ujt5/tu4k6 B6SVQb98nByWQEPl+3hwKbEu41BcHNVH9LOabMxeMSkv0U/0B3 0xdaUcjgSfSB0cGLxc8NzObs85mnTvwQV+DGX0VMXIco65/Cdx NpMaoTfHGlrBP680wMqqcCBqHEMT4x0XGsParlMMAO0EPPY6Ht dXE1lY6cB39WF2kx1OPnCX8TDpfd9wT4UHkHMeHKAVJzCXEsrB mmlXnNFsJvxxIZDaSlCt1vycjm8zKx96zmKhgweuI07splMyjp 4DDH0Wm3uVx/uh2QA85oQe+zEshiun6RVatY4UMFL90ArMusDa T+cj8KFXvvl0WA0jPBwMQZXEDbbYDrwZ5vaQ5aOHhum7vTY/Pp 3M4QA X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:54:39 -0800 Cc: public-notmuch-gxuj+Tv9EO5zyzON3hdc1g@plane.gmane.org, notmuch@notmuchmail.org X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rainer@krugs.de List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 12:40:21 -0000 --bcaec55408906f390304d056a254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 7 December 2012 16:32, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > 2) I am downloading with the patched notmuch (to add x-keywords >> containing the labels) only >> > the "All Mail" folder - does your script use this information (if >> present) to tag the emails? >> > >> > >> > What is the patched notmuch? What does that do? >> >> Sorry - should have been "patched offlineimap" ( >> https://github.com/aroig/offlineimap >> >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.offlineimap.general/5943/focus=5970and >> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.offlineimap.general/5970 ) >> >> It is synching the gmail labels into the x-keywords header as a comma >> separated list. These could >> then be used by notmuch to be added to the labels. It also does sync >> changes from the X-Keywords >> to gmail (see >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.offlineimap.general/5943/focus=5970for details) > > > I see. > > I use the All Mail folder and get the tags using the X-GM-LABELS imap > extension. I don't muck with the mail headers in the process, fortunately. > I actually prefer this approach, but I think it would be more useful to leave the syncing of the emails to a different program, and then just managing the labels / tags with your tool (which is notmuch territory). So the workflow would be: Initial or download (only remote changes): 1) Download email ("All Mail" folder) with whatever you are using (offlinemail, ...) 2) call your script to index the downloaded emails (All Mail" folder) with notmuch and get the labels and set / remove them in notmuch accordingly. Upload (only local changes): 1) upload emails using whatever (offlineimap, ...) 2) upload the changed tags and create the needed new labels (and possibly delete empty ons?) The tricky part will be the synching when changes on both sides were observed. The mail sync is implemented in e.g. offlineimap and works reilably. But I don't know how one could handle tag / label changes on both sides. So, implementing the mail sync in this script would, as I see it, kind of reinventing the wheel. One can leave it in, but I would like to have an option to leave the synching of the emails to a separate program. Cheers, Rainer -- NEW GERMAN FAX NUMBER!!! Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Natural Sciences Building Office Suite 2039 Stellenbosch University Main Campus, Merriman Avenue Stellenbosch South Africa Cell: +27 - (0)83 9479 042 Fax: +27 - (0)86 516 2782 Fax: +49 - (0)321 2125 2244 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug Google: R.M.Krug@gmail.com --bcaec55408906f390304d056a254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 7 Dece= mber 2012 16:32, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:


On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at= 2:57 PM, Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 2) I am downloading with the patched notmuch (to add x-keywords contai= ning the labels) only
> the "All Mail" folder - does your script use this informatio= n (if present) to tag the emails?
>
>
> What is the patched notmuch? What does that do?

Sorry - should have been "patched offlineimap" ( https://github.com= /aroig/offlineimap
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.of= flineimap.general/5943/focus=3D5970 and
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.offlineimap.g= eneral/5970 )

It is synching the gmail labels into the x-keywords header as a comma separ= ated list. These could
then be used by notmuch to be added to the labels. It also does sync change= s from the X-Keywords
to gmail (see http://thread.gmane.org/gman= e.mail.imap.offlineimap.general/5943/focus=3D5970 for details)

I see.

I use the All Mai= l folder and get the tags using the X-GM-LABELS imap extension. I don't= muck with the mail headers in the process, fortunately.

I actually prefer this approach, but I think it would be more usef= ul to leave the syncing of the emails to a different program, and then just= managing the labels / tags with your tool (which is notmuch territory). So= the workflow would be:

Initial or download (only remote changes):

1) Download email (&q= uot;All Mail" folder) with whatever you are using (offlinemail, ...)2) call your script to index the downloaded emails (All Mail" folder= ) with notmuch and get the labels and set / remove them in notmuch accordin= gly.

Upload (only local changes):

1) upload emails using whatever (of= flineimap, ...)
2) upload the changed tags and create the needed new lab= els (and possibly delete empty ons?)

The tricky part will be the syn= ching when changes on both sides were observed.
The mail sync is implemented in e.g. offlineimap and works reilably. But I = don't know how one could handle tag / label changes on both sides.
<= br>So, implementing the mail sync in this script would, as I see it, kind o= f reinventing the wheel. One can leave it in, but I would like to have an o= ption to leave the synching of the emails to a separate program.

Cheers,

Rainer



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= NEW GERMAN FAX NUMBER!!!

Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, = SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre = of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Natural Sciences Building
Office Suite 2039
Stellenbosch UniversityMain Campus, Merriman Avenue
Stellenbosch
South Africa

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