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From: Mark Walters <markwalters1009@gmail.com>
To: Austin Clements <amdragon@MIT.EDU>
Cc: notmuch@notmuchmail.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Automatically exclude tags in notmuch-show
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:13:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zkdfgr0m.fsf@qmul.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120122181609.GQ16740@mit.edu>

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:16:09 -0500, Austin Clements <amdragon@MIT.EDU> wrote:
> Quoth myself on Jan 20 at 12:18 pm:
> > Quoth Mark Walters on Jan 20 at 12:10 am:
> > > 
> > > Ok Having said this is trivial I have found a problem. What should
> > > notmuch do if you do something like
> > > 
> > > notmuch show id:<some-id>
> > > and that message is marked with a deleted tag? To be consistent with the
> > > other cases (where a deleted message is in a matched thread) we might
> > > want to return the message with the not-matched flag set (eg in
> > > JSON). But my patch doesn't, as it never even sees the thread since it
> > > doesn't match.
> > > 
> > > Looking at notmuch-show.c I think we should not apply the exclude tags
> > > to do_show_single, but usually should apply it to do_show. One solution
> > > which is simple and is at least close to right would be to get do_show
> > > to return the number of threads found. If this is zero then retry the
> > > query without the excludes (possible setting the match_flag to zero on
> > > each message since we know it does not match)
> > > 
> > > This is not a completely correct solution as if you ask notmuch-show to
> > > show more than one thread it might  threads which only contain deleted
> > > messages.
> > > 
> > > I can't see other good possibilities without slowing down the normal
> > > path a lot (eg find all threads that match the original query and then
> > > apply the argument above).
> > > 
> > > Any thoughts?
> > 
> > Oh dear.
> > 
> > Well, here's one idea.  Instead of doing a single thread query in
> > show, do a thread query without the exclusions and then a message
> > query with the exclusions.  Output all of the messages from the first
> > query, but use the results of the second query to determine which
> > messages are "matched".  The same could be accomplished in the library
> > somewhat more efficiently, but it's not obvious to me what the API
> > would be.
> 
> Here's a slightly crazier idea that's more library-invasive than the
> original approach, but probably better in the long run.
> 
> Have notmuch_query_search_* return everything and make exclusion a
> message flag like NOTMUCH_MESSAGE_FLAG_MATCH.  Tweak the definition of
> "matched" to mean "matched and not excluded" (specifically, a message
> would have the match flag or the excluded flag or neither, but not
> both).  Search would skip threads with zero matched messages and I
> think show would Just Work.
> 
> I can think of two ways to implement this.  notmuch_query_search_*
> could perform both the original query and the query with exclusions
> and use the docid set from the second to compute the "excluded"
> message flag.  Alternatively, it could examine the tags of each
> message directly to compute the flag.  The latter is probably easier
> to implement, but probably slower.
> 
> Thoughts?

I have now thought about this some more and think I understand your idea
(and how it would work) rather better now. 

I would suggest one small change: the flags for the messages returned
should be "independent": so a message can match the query or not, and it
can be excluded or not, with all 4 combinations being possible. (The
consumer of notmuch_query_search_* would extract the information it
wanted.)

I have thought about some implementation ideas but I think sorting is
going to be the deciding factor: what order should
notmuch_query_search_* return messages/threads? 

For notmuch_query_search_messages either it returns them all together
with the excluded messages marked, or returns all included ones, and
then all excluded one.

For notmuch_query_search_threads it is less clear. Currently it returns
threads in order of first matching message. It is not clear what
matching means now: is matching and included, or just matching? If the
former then we will be returning some threads with no matching and
included messages so we need to decide where to put them in the order.

If we sort in both cases just on matching then we have the same
output/sort as notmuch pre-excluded flags, just the frontends
notmuch-search/show can decide to omit some lines/results. Note that
after omitting "excluded" lines the thread sort would be different from
the current notmuch-with-excluded implementation.

Whereas if we sort based on matching and included, we keep the current
sort order with some stuff appended.

As regards implementation I think notmuch_query_search_messages is the
crucial place: once that returns one of its two orders the rest sort of
takes care of itself.

Best wishes

Mark

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-01-23  1:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 176+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-07 22:28 another attempt to add delete functionality in emacs Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-07 22:28 ` [PATCH 1/4] emacs: new customization variable to exclude "deleted" messages from search Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-07 22:28   ` [PATCH 2/4] emacs: repurpose notmuch-show-archive-thread-internal function for general thread tagging Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-07 22:28     ` [PATCH 3/4] emacs: add ability to "delete" messages and threads Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-07 22:28       ` [PATCH 4/4] emacs: modify help message for notmuch-search-line-faces to reflect preferred "deleted" tag name Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-08  1:26       ` change to default archive/delete key bindings Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-08  1:26         ` [PATCH 1/4] emacs: add show-mode functions to archive/delete only current message Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-08  1:26           ` [PATCH 2/4] emacs: add option to notmuch-show-next-open-message to pop out to parent buffer if at end Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-08  1:26             ` [PATCH 3/4] emacs: modify the default show-mode key bindings for archiving/deleting Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-08  1:26               ` [PATCH 4/4] emacs: use pop-at-end functionality in archive/delete-message functions Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-08 18:56                 ` [PATCH 4/4 v2] " Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-08 19:28                   ` [PATCH 4/4 v3] " Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-09  1:12             ` [PATCH 2/4] emacs: add option to notmuch-show-next-open-message to pop out to parent buffer if at end Aaron Ecay
2012-01-08 19:09           ` [PATCH 1/4 v2] emacs: add show-mode functions to archive/delete only current message Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-10  7:43             ` David Edmondson
2012-01-10  7:48         ` change to default archive/delete key bindings David Edmondson
2012-01-09  1:08     ` [PATCH 2/4] emacs: repurpose notmuch-show-archive-thread-internal function for general thread tagging Aaron Ecay
2012-01-09  2:49       ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-09  5:02         ` Aaron Ecay
2012-01-11  2:56           ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-11  5:53             ` Aaron Ecay
2012-01-11  7:07               ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-09  1:14   ` [PATCH 1/4] emacs: new customization variable to exclude "deleted" messages from search Aaron Ecay
2012-01-09  1:49     ` Austin Clements
2012-01-09  2:34       ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-09  2:46         ` Austin Clements
2012-01-09  4:31       ` Austin Clements
2012-01-11  5:02         ` [PATCH 0/3] Automatic tag-based exclusion Austin Clements
2012-01-11  5:02           ` [PATCH 1/3] count: Convert to new-style argument parsing Austin Clements
2012-01-11  8:17             ` Jani Nikula
2012-01-11 18:26               ` Austin Clements
2012-01-11 18:27               ` Jani Nikula
2012-01-11  5:02           ` [PATCH 2/3] lib: Add support for automatically excluding tags from queries Austin Clements
2012-01-11 10:11             ` Jani Nikula
2012-01-11 18:48               ` Austin Clements
2012-01-11  5:02           ` [PATCH 3/3] search: Support automatic tag exclusions Austin Clements
2012-01-11 19:27             ` Jani Nikula
2012-01-11  7:05           ` [PATCH 0/3] Automatic tag-based exclusion Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-13 23:07           ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Austin Clements
2012-01-13 23:07             ` [PATCH v2 1/3] count: Convert to new-style argument parsing Austin Clements
2012-01-14  1:49               ` David Bremner
2012-01-13 23:07             ` [PATCH v2 2/3] lib: Add support for automatically excluding tags from queries Austin Clements
2012-01-14 23:38               ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-15  0:05                 ` Austin Clements
2012-01-13 23:07             ` [PATCH v2 3/3] search: Support automatic tag exclusions Austin Clements
2012-01-14 23:40               ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-15  0:14                 ` Austin Clements
2012-01-16  9:12                 ` David Edmondson
2012-01-16 19:28                   ` Austin Clements
2012-01-16 22:18                     ` Jeremy Nickurak
2012-01-16 22:25                       ` Jameson Graef Rollins
     [not found]                     ` <CA+eQo_3xxuhgUUXWXWyVD1LFhvhkw2psbA3ZnFnZk=BjjHXy8w@mail.gmail.com>
2012-01-17  9:08                       ` David Edmondson
2012-01-17 20:32                         ` Austin Clements
2012-01-18  8:38                           ` David Edmondson
2012-01-18  8:52                             ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-18  9:52                               ` David Edmondson
2012-01-18 18:51                                 ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-16 19:34                   ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-14 23:38             ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-15  0:17             ` [PATCH v3 0/2] Automatic tag-based exclusion Austin Clements
2012-01-15  0:17               ` [PATCH v3 1/2] lib: Add support for automatically excluding tags from queries Austin Clements
2012-01-15  0:17               ` [PATCH v3 2/2] search: Support automatic tag exclusions Austin Clements
2012-01-19 19:19                 ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-19 19:19                   ` [PATCH 1/4] search: rename auto_exclude_tags to {search, }exclude_tags Pieter Praet
2012-01-19 19:41                     ` [PATCH 1/4] search: rename auto_exclude_tags to {search,}exclude_tags Austin Clements
2012-01-19 21:14                       ` [PATCH 1/4] search: rename auto_exclude_tags to {search, }exclude_tags Pieter Praet
2012-01-19 19:19                   ` [PATCH 2/4] test: only exclude "deleted" messages from search if explicitly configured Pieter Praet
2012-01-19 19:19                   ` [PATCH 3/4] config: only set search.exclude_tags to "deleted; spam; " during setup Pieter Praet
2012-01-22 22:14                     ` Xavier Maillard
2012-01-22 22:53                       ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-23  5:05                         ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  5:34                           ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-23  7:35                             ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  7:22                           ` Jani Nikula
2012-01-23  7:38                             ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-23  8:24                               ` Jani Nikula
2012-01-23  8:45                                 ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-25  0:43                                 ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  8:03                             ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  8:31                               ` Jani Nikula
2012-01-25  0:42                                 ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  4:16                       ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-19 19:19                   ` [PATCH 4/4] setup: prompt user for search.exclude_tags value Pieter Praet
2012-01-19 19:44                     ` Austin Clements
2012-01-19 21:16                       ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-20  4:19                         ` Austin Clements
2012-01-22  6:55                           ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-22 17:08                             ` Austin Clements
2012-01-23  4:17                               ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  4:22                                 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] search: rename auto_exclude_tags to {search, }exclude_tags Pieter Praet
2012-01-23 23:28                                   ` David Bremner
2012-01-23  4:22                                 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] test: only exclude "deleted" messages from search if explicitly configured Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  4:22                                 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] config: only exclude messages if 'search.exclude_tags' is explicitly set Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  4:22                                 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] setup: move tag printing and parsing into separate functions Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  5:07                                   ` Austin Clements
2012-01-23  5:50                                     ` [PATCH v3 4/6] setup: Create functions for tag list printing and parsing Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  4:22                                 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] setup: prompt user for search.exclude_tags value Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  4:34                                   ` Austin Clements
2012-01-23  5:40                                     ` [PATCH v3 " Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  4:22                                 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] NEWS: update "Tag exclusion" section Pieter Praet
2012-01-23  4:41                                   ` Austin Clements
2012-01-23  5:41                                     ` [PATCH v3 " Pieter Praet
2012-01-23 14:49                                       ` Austin Clements
2012-01-19 19:36                   ` [PATCH v3 2/2] search: Support automatic tag exclusions Austin Clements
2012-01-19 20:06                     ` markwalters1009
2012-01-19 20:16                       ` Aaron Ecay
2012-01-19 20:23                         ` Mark Walters
2012-01-19 20:28                           ` Austin Clements
2012-01-19 22:01                             ` Mark Walters
2012-01-19 22:03                               ` [PATCH] Automatically exclude tags in notmuch-show Mark Walters
2012-01-19 22:59                                 ` Austin Clements
2012-01-19 23:54                                   ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-20  0:10                                   ` Mark Walters
2012-01-20 17:18                                     ` Austin Clements
2012-01-22  0:38                                       ` Mark Walters
2012-01-22 17:31                                         ` Austin Clements
2012-01-22 18:16                                       ` Austin Clements
2012-01-22 18:47                                         ` Mark Walters
2012-01-23  1:13                                         ` Mark Walters [this message]
2012-01-23  1:52                                           ` Austin Clements
2012-01-24  1:05                                             ` Mark Walters
2012-01-24  1:16                                               ` Austin Clements
2012-01-24  1:18                                                 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] Add NOTMUCH_MESSAGE_FLAG_EXCLUDED flag Mark Walters
2012-01-24  1:18                                                 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] " Mark Walters
2012-01-24  2:45                                                   ` Austin Clements
2012-01-24 11:20                                                     ` Mark Walters
2012-01-28 10:51                                                     ` Mark Walters
2012-01-28 18:33                                                       ` Austin Clements
2012-01-28 23:57                                                         ` Mark Walters
2012-01-29  0:04                                                           ` [PATCH 1/4] Add exclude flag Mark Walters
2012-01-29  0:04                                                           ` [PATCH 2/4] " Mark Walters
2012-01-29  0:04                                                           ` [PATCH 3/4] " Mark Walters
2012-01-29  0:04                                                           ` [PATCH 4/4] " Mark Walters
2012-01-29 10:37                                                           ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] Add NOTMUCH_MESSAGE_FLAG_EXCLUDED flag Mark Walters
2012-01-29 18:36                                                             ` Mark Walters
2012-01-29 18:39                                                               ` [PATCH 1/7] cli: add --do-not-exclude option to count and search Mark Walters
2012-01-31  4:17                                                                 ` Austin Clements
2012-01-31 11:40                                                                   ` Mark Walters
2012-01-31 16:18                                                                     ` Austin Clements
2012-01-31 16:31                                                                     ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-02-11 18:44                                                                 ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-02-11 18:50                                                                   ` Austin Clements
2012-02-11 19:00                                                                     ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-29 18:39                                                               ` [PATCH 2/7] lib: Rearrange the exclude code in query.cc Mark Walters
2012-01-29 18:39                                                               ` [PATCH 3/7] lib: Make notmuch_query_search_messages set the exclude flag Mark Walters
2012-01-31  4:43                                                                 ` Austin Clements
2012-01-31 11:45                                                                   ` Mark Walters
2012-01-31 16:25                                                                     ` Austin Clements
2012-02-01 18:00                                                                       ` Mark Walters
2012-01-29 18:39                                                               ` [PATCH 4/7] lib: Add the exclude flag to notmuch_query_search_threads Mark Walters
2012-01-31  4:50                                                                 ` Austin Clements
2012-01-31 11:47                                                                   ` Mark Walters
2012-01-31  5:07                                                                 ` Austin Clements
2012-01-29 18:39                                                               ` [PATCH 5/7] cli: Make notmuch-show respect excludes Mark Walters
2012-01-31  4:56                                                                 ` Austin Clements
2012-01-31 12:30                                                                   ` Mark Walters
2012-01-29 18:39                                                               ` [PATCH 6/7] cli: omit excluded messages in results where appropriate Mark Walters
2012-01-29 18:39                                                               ` [PATCH 7/7] emacs: show: recognize the exclude flag Mark Walters
2012-01-31  5:08                                                               ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] Add NOTMUCH_MESSAGE_FLAG_EXCLUDED flag Austin Clements
2012-01-24  1:18                                                 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] " Mark Walters
2012-01-24  2:53                                                   ` Austin Clements
2012-01-24  1:18                                                 ` [PATCH 4/4] " Mark Walters
2012-01-19 22:44                               ` [PATCH v3 2/2] search: Support automatic tag exclusions Pieter Praet
2012-01-19 21:21                     ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-22 22:09                   ` Xavier Maillard
2012-01-23  4:15                     ` Pieter Praet
2012-01-16 19:35               ` [PATCH v3 0/2] Automatic tag-based exclusion Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-17  1:08               ` David Bremner
2012-01-18 20:58               ` [PATCH] News for tag exclusion Austin Clements
2012-01-10  7:47 ` another attempt to add delete functionality in emacs David Edmondson
2012-01-10 20:01   ` David Bremner
2012-01-11  3:12     ` Jameson Graef Rollins
2012-01-11  5:16       ` Jani Nikula
2012-01-11  5:38         ` Austin Clements
2012-01-11  8:26       ` David Edmondson
2012-01-11  2:56   ` Jameson Graef Rollins

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