From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id mLMvG0UiCGIV7QAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 22:10:29 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id MCnoE0UiCGLDfgEAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 22:10:29 +0100 Received: from mail.notmuchmail.org (yantan.tethera.net [135.181.149.255]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 103D23B083 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 22:10:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from yantan.tethera.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.notmuchmail.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAC25F704; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fethera.tethera.net (fethera.tethera.net [198.245.60.197]) by mail.notmuchmail.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B785F6C3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fethera.tethera.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4FEEF5FBD2; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 16:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (nullmailer pid 2612540 invoked by uid 1000); Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:09:59 -0000 From: David Bremner To: Tomi Ollila , Michael J Gruber Subject: Re: Test suite timing issues? In-Reply-To: References: <164458773197.3086.16103597141743611268.git@grubix.eu> <87k0e1x87f.fsf@tethera.net> <164467277576.6467.13919733764427871872.git@grubix.eu> <874k54xfuw.fsf@tethera.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 17:09:59 -0400 Message-ID: <87v8xjx048.fsf@tethera.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID-Hash: RL5QS2SIPOONSAIT6IIWOYKI7FHKFKGV X-Message-ID-Hash: RL5QS2SIPOONSAIT6IIWOYKI7FHKFKGV X-MailFrom: david@tethera.net X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-notmuch.notmuchmail.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: notmuch@notmuchmail.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.3 Precedence: list List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: DE ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1644700229; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=LCxPLRkfctu54eIfy1tk2PgyT9EB2XEeDd6D4aCOkl4=; b=KiDtpXbHuQdXT/dA41h08DQwGl0x0Lzz/fuIywpuXmBWv00jgRgJNeF55E0MUUdb1rFykG qpZO3EUqQupnGDRbMiTh7Xf+hTxiv67OavPQ9D90eaIJtVnS2dLY88SznppXj/GVF+UbKC AYN+bz7cMvbn81KlNcNB6vmk5FWnGDjJ6YpNiJGXtb5siTpd5cyxRvWBZeouebhOgIGv+P lnnCNXpyBIeYZ5e4/gaOCS126EPWYV9kcvr+osHg45hvVOprVPdJLhW5/ILyX0hW9EKRL4 0MvtpklIRMEbgDqnFgxjxS5tmiSQr2GV6POer7n/suTuGj2NIby++HVY/6+O3w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1644700229; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hirA6ONlVCxknFN7u8wHmynGm5MNs7JCA/Sk0zGAoun8fWFpbxHdhgHHka89zQm7/HZUD5 YLs9/qG38ZPEGXpN8/tHc2r8gb1kkmauaDepjkLT3jWCBjL/UsfTMWPDDk32ArAvbwiSvC lHM5xFCCWmrXEwFzlWZ5TUnMfFdfGgd0uaUHcRfPhpeiETquc1htAuhZWtp4YqjJ4yqfdw 3/sYs6mV/SB1oRds2VKwux53Bx1dXZ+Al0+XPxZZVwsvvT5ovbnfeo1AAkNSS4ubP9VlWP xSm5QtTZrGtUwgeHi6LH0NP4yKCEUP4i62tnkGFMtICclahCLuZeiyWNw21JLQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of notmuch-bounces@notmuchmail.org designates 135.181.149.255 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=notmuch-bounces@notmuchmail.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.35 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of notmuch-bounces@notmuchmail.org designates 135.181.149.255 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=notmuch-bounces@notmuchmail.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 103D23B083 X-Spam-Score: -1.35 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: dpuzjc/kv8LQ Tomi Ollila writes: > > Does such a change hide "buggy" functionality ? We mostly don't use add_message, call notmuch new via NOTMUCH_NEW in T050-new.sh. So I think it would mostly not hide bugs in notmuch new. OTOH, I'm surprised the same issues with timestamps don't show up there, if that is really the problem. > Or do we consider notmuch new buggy if it does not notice all new messages > arrived every time ? That's a harder question. Maybe? But I don't know how serious a bug it is for actual users (who often get mail delivered in various concurrent ways).