unofficial mirror of notmuch@notmuchmail.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Mark Walters <markwalters1009@gmail.com>
To: Austin Clements <amdragon@MIT.EDU>,
	Justus Winter <4winter@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>
Cc: notmuch@notmuchmail.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Split notmuch_database_close into two functions
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:42:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mx6a4uls.fsf@qmul.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120412165744.GF13549@mit.edu>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, Austin Clements <amdragon@MIT.EDU> wrote:
> Quoth Justus Winter on Apr 12 at 11:05 am:
>> Quoting Austin Clements (2012-04-01 05:23:23)
>> >Quoth Justus Winter on Mar 21 at  1:55 am:
>> >> I propose to split the function notmuch_database_close into
>> >> notmuch_database_close and notmuch_database_destroy so that long
>> >> running processes like alot can close the database while still using
>> >> data obtained from queries to that database.
>> >
>> >Is this actually safe?  My understanding of Xapian::Database::close is
>> >that, once you've closed the database, basically anything can throw a
>> >Xapian exception.  A lot of data is retrieved lazily, both by notmuch
>> >and by Xapian, so simply having, say, a notmuch_message_t object isn't
>> >enough to guarantee that you'll be able to get data out of it after
>> >closing the database.  Hence, I don't see how this interface could be
>> >used correctly.
>> 
>> I do not know how, but both alot and afew (and occasionally the
>> notmuch binary) are somehow safely using this interface on my box for
>> the last three weeks.
>
> I see.  TL;DR: This isn't safe, but that's okay if we document it.
>
> The bug report [0] you pointed to was quite informative.  At its core,
> this is really a memory management issue.  To sum up for the record
> (and to check my own thinking): It sounds like alot is careful not to
> use any notmuch objects after closing the database.  The problem is
> that, currently, closing the database also talloc_free's it, which
> recursively free's everything derived from it.  Python later GCs the
> wrapper objects, which *also* try to free their underlying objects,
> resulting in a double free.
>
> Before the change to expose notmuch_database_close, the Python
> bindings would only talloc_free from destructors.  Furthermore, they
> prevented the library from recursively freeing things at other times
> by internally maintaining a reverse reference for every library talloc
> reference (e.g., message is a sub-allocation of query, so the bindings
> keep a reference from each message to its query to ensure the query
> doesn't get freed).  The ability to explicitly talloc_free the
> database subverts this mechanism.
>
>
> So, I've come around to thinking that splitting notmuch_database_close
> and _destroy is okay.  It certainly parallels the rest of the API
> better.  However, notmuch_database_close needs a big warning similar
> to Xapian::Database::close's warning that retrieving information from
> objects derived from this database may not work after calling close.
> notmuch_database_close is really a specialty interface, and about the
> only thing you can guarantee after closing the database is that you
> can destroy other objects.  This is also going to require a SONAME
> major version bump, as mentioned by others.  Which, to be fair, would
> be a good opportunity to fix some other issues, too, like how
> notmuch_database_open can't return errors and how
> notmuch_database_get_directory is broken on read-only databases.  The
> actual bump should be done at release time, but maybe we should drop a
> note somewhere (NEWS?) so we don't forget.

Can I just check that there is no way to reopen the Xapian database
readonly? (I may be using the wrong term: I mean is there a way of
switching an open read-write database to read-only without losing the
attached structures/messages/threads etc) If I understand it this would
be sufficient as it would free the lock, but could be more generally
useful for long lived notmuch processes.

Best wishes

Mark

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-04-17  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-21  0:55 [RFC] Split notmuch_database_close into two functions Justus Winter
2012-03-21  0:55 ` [PATCH 1/7] " Justus Winter
2012-03-31 17:17   ` Mark Walters
2012-03-31 17:29     ` David Bremner
2012-04-16 21:51     ` Justus Winter
2012-04-17  8:37       ` Mark Walters
2012-03-21  0:55 ` [PATCH 2/7] NEWS: Document the notmuch_database_close split Justus Winter
2012-03-21  0:55 ` [PATCH 3/7] Use notmuch_database_destroy instead of notmuch_database_close Justus Winter
2012-03-21  0:55 ` [PATCH 4/7] " Justus Winter
2012-03-21  0:55 ` [PATCH 5/7] go: " Justus Winter
2012-03-21  0:55 ` [PATCH 6/7] ruby: " Justus Winter
2012-03-21  0:55 ` [PATCH 7/7] python: wrap and use notmuch_database_destroy as destructor Justus Winter
2012-04-12 17:02   ` Austin Clements
2012-04-20 13:10     ` Sebastian Spaeth
2012-04-22 12:06     ` Justus Winter
2012-04-22 12:07       ` [PATCH 1/7] Split notmuch_database_close into two functions Justus Winter
2012-04-22 12:07         ` [PATCH 2/7] NEWS: Document the notmuch_database_close split Justus Winter
2012-04-22 15:09           ` Felipe Contreras
2012-04-22 12:07         ` [PATCH 3/7] Use notmuch_database_destroy instead of notmuch_database_close Justus Winter
2012-04-22 12:07         ` [PATCH 4/7] " Justus Winter
2012-04-22 12:07         ` [PATCH 5/7] go: " Justus Winter
2012-04-22 12:07         ` [PATCH 6/7] ruby: " Justus Winter
2012-04-23 12:36           ` Felipe Contreras
2012-04-23 12:49             ` Justus Winter
2012-04-25 13:39               ` Austin Clements
2012-04-22 12:07         ` [PATCH 7/7] python: wrap and use notmuch_database_destroy as destructor Justus Winter
2012-04-22 18:01         ` [PATCH 1/7] Split notmuch_database_close into two functions Austin Clements
2012-04-25 13:20           ` Justus Winter
2012-04-25 13:34             ` Austin Clements
2012-04-28 12:54             ` David Bremner
2012-04-22 18:06         ` Austin Clements
2012-03-21  8:57 ` [RFC] " Patrick Totzke
2012-03-24  9:07 ` Tomi Ollila
2012-03-27  8:19   ` Justus Winter
2012-03-27  8:19     ` [PATCH 1/7] " Justus Winter
2012-04-01  3:23 ` [RFC] " Austin Clements
2012-04-12  9:05   ` Justus Winter
2012-04-12 16:57     ` Austin Clements
2012-04-12 17:19       ` Justus Winter
     [not found]       ` <20120413083358.13321.66680@megatron>
2012-04-16 21:45         ` Justus Winter
2012-04-17  4:56           ` Tomi Ollila
2012-04-17  8:42       ` Mark Walters [this message]
2012-04-18 17:54         ` Austin Clements

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://notmuchmail.org/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=87mx6a4uls.fsf@qmul.ac.uk \
    --to=markwalters1009@gmail.com \
    --cc=4winter@informatik.uni-hamburg.de \
    --cc=amdragon@MIT.EDU \
    --cc=notmuch@notmuchmail.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://yhetil.org/notmuch.git/

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).