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Signed-off-by: Jorge P. de Morais Neto --- emacs/notmuch-show.el | 9 +++++---- 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/emacs/notmuch-show.el b/emacs/notmuch-show.el index 4de3e423..b4afb076 100644 --- a/emacs/notmuch-show.el +++ b/emacs/notmuch-show.el @@ -1532,13 +1532,14 @@ which \\[notmuch-show-next-button] and \\[notmuch-show-previous-button] are help Reading the thread sequentially is well-supported by pressing \\[notmuch-show-advance-and-archive]. This will scroll the current message (if necessary), advance -to the next message, or advance to the next thread (if already on -the last message of a thread). +to the next message, or archive current thread and advance to the next +(if already on the last message of a thread). Other commands are available to read or manipulate the thread more selectively, (such as '\\[notmuch-show-next-message]' and '\\[notmuch-show-previous-message]' to advance to messages -without removing any tags, and '\\[notmuch-show-archive-thread]' to archive an entire thread -without scrolling through with \\[notmuch-show-advance-and-archive]). +without removing any tags other than \"unread\", and +'\\[notmuch-show-archive-thread]' to archive an entire thread without +scrolling through with \\[notmuch-show-advance-and-archive]). You can add or remove arbitrary tags from the current message with '\\[notmuch-show-add-tag]' or '\\[notmuch-show-remove-tag]'. -- 2.33.1 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hi. I apologize for the delay and reply below: >> And why does move backward but (which ought >> to be equivalent to , no?) moves forward? > > You'd think they'd be equivalent, but actually they are not. You can > use C-h k to test, even in a GUI/X11 emacs. I am aware that ~C-h k~ differentiates between and (or ), but I still think that, intuitively, since is equivalent to , then the user expects to be equivalent to . There is no use in having the same behavior as . And if the user is navigating forward with , then, if she moves past the target and thus needs to go backward, it is convenient to press and hit again (and vice-versa). And moving backwards is consistent with Org Mode tables, where moves backward but is bound to `complete-symbol'. But maybe I should not press this point further. >> Also, it seems that moves forward and moves backward, but >> does nothing useful. For consistency with Emacs Info Mode, >> Emacs View Mode, and some other applications such as Firefox, perhaps >> should move backward too. > > I note that S-SPC is not accesible in terminals. But if there's > concensus that is is useful I don't mind adding it. Binding S-SPC to something useful does not help on a text terminal, but does no harm either; and it helps on the GUI, which most people use. >> The introduction of help buffer for Notmuch-Show (reached by hitting >> ) describes the command without mentioning that it can archive >> the thread; only in specific description (which does not fit in >> the same window; one has to scroll) does it mention the archiving >> behavior. I believe the archiving behavior should also be mentioned in >> the introduction, lest the user unwittingly archive a thread she wasn't >> supposed to. > > I personally don't think archiving is that destructive, if someone wants > to improve this wording, it is the docstring for notmuch-show-mode See the attached patch---which also adds another minor clarification. >> Finally, the binding for in Notmuch-Show and Notmuch-Hello >> inconveniently clobbers the tab-bar-mode binding for that key. Should >> not Notmuch be content with // (and >> possibly ) and leave alone? >> > > Notmuch has used the binding since 2010 (almost 10 years before > tab-bar-mode existed), so people might be used to it; on other hand it > does seem redundant since the binding S-tab is also there. I'm not a > very serious user of notmuch-hello mode, and I don't use tab-bar-mode at > all, so I'd welcome feedback from other people about how attached they > are to C-tab. In my opinion, vanilla Emacs keybindings (even if recent) should not be overridden without strong reason. Feel free to give feedback on whether I am nitpicking, especially if the feedback is reasonably detailed. Regards! -- - Many people hate injustice but few check the facts. This provokes misinformation. 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