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But >> given how there is already version.txt and version.py, could we have a >> header in notmuch.el too, do you think? > > BTW, in an ideal world (from the perspective of NonGNU ELPA as well as > that of those Emacs users who install the Notmuch ELisp package via > things like Borg, Straight, or `package-vc`, but install the rest of > Notmuch some other way (e.g. from their GNU/Linux distribution)) the > `emacs` subdirectory would be split into its own branch or repository. This is not likely to happen any time soon. The emacs front-end is developed (and tested) in tandem with the C/C++ backend and the sphinx-doc based documentation. Running the latest emacs front-end against an arbitrarily old version of the notmuch binaries has never been supported, hence the following commentary in notmuch.el. ;; Note for MELPA users (and others tracking the development version ;; of notmuch-emacs): ;; ;; This emacs package needs a fairly closely matched version of the ;; notmuch program. If you use the MELPA version of notmuch.el (as ;; opposed to MELPA stable), you should be prepared to track the ;; master development branch (i.e. build from git) for the notmuch ;; program as well. Upgrading notmuch-emacs too far beyond the notmuch ;; program can CAUSE YOUR EMAIL TO STOP WORKING. ;; ;; TL;DR: notmuch-emacs from MELPA and notmuch from distro packages is ;; NOT SUPPORTED. Of course it's free software, and people can do what they like, but it does give some idea of where we going to focus our limited resources.