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From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>
To: David Bremner <david@tethera.net>, Adam Majer <amajer@suse.de>,
	Carl Worth <cworth@cworth.org>,
	notmuch@notmuchmail.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] build: sign tarball instead of sha256sum
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 11:35:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ftrow3ot.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zhpwgsb9.fsf@tethera.net>

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On Fri 2019-03-15 10:50:34 -0300, David Bremner wrote:
> Adam Majer <amajer@suse.de> writes:
>
>> The (my?) expectation is that a *.asc file is a detached signature. 
>> That's why GPG is warning when it is not a detached signature. But I can 
>> live with .sha256.asc if there is no .sha256 ;)
>
> Right, aren't detached signatures preferred in general? Or am I
> misremembering some gpg folklore?

Detached signatures are recommended for several reasons:

 * They can handle non-textual data
 
 * They are not confused by varying character sets/encodings of textual
   data

 * They clearly demarcate what is being signed (text documents with
   inline signatures can include arbitrary cruft before the signed text,
   or after the signature)

 * gpg (and gpgv)'s API has traditionally been ambiguous about what it
   means to say "gpg --verify foo.asc" depending on whether foo (without
   the ".asc") exists.  This API "shortcut" has a nasty failure mode,
   because an attacker can ship you an arbitrary "foo" and an
   inline-signed document as "foo.asc".  in that case, you might be
   surprised to find that while the signature verifies, it has nothing
   to do with "foo".


I don't think these situations are relevant for the case of a signed
sha256sum file verified in a sensible way:

 * we're dealing with textual data, guaranteed to be US-ASCII.
   Verifiers can explicitly make that assumption.

 * Modern versions of gpg (and gpgv) have an --output argument when
   validating a signature, making it much easier to see what
   specifically was signed, and avoiding any ambiguity about weird
   "foo.asc + unrelated foo" use cases (see my use of --output in the
   pipeline example upthread)


Detached signatures have the additional disadvantage of having to
juggle/coordinate more files when publishing or retrieving a new
release.

For the sake of shipping fewer files with each release, i think it makes
sense to use a clearsigned *.sha256.asc.

   --dkg

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      reply	other threads:[~2019-03-15 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-06 10:48 Release signatures Adam Majer
2019-02-10 13:51 ` David Bremner
2019-02-11 23:37   ` Carl Worth
2019-02-13  2:17     ` [PATCH] build: sign tarball instead of sha256sum David Bremner
2019-03-12 10:55       ` David Bremner
2019-03-14 22:51         ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-15  1:49           ` David Bremner
2019-03-15  8:48             ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-15  1:53           ` Adam Majer
2019-03-15  8:58             ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-15 10:49               ` David Bremner
2019-03-15 13:47                 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-15 13:56                   ` David Bremner
2019-03-15 14:50                     ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-15 14:30                   ` Adam Majer
2019-03-15 16:48                     ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-23 11:21                   ` [PATCH] build: distribute signed sha256sums Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-23 12:35                     ` [PATCH v2 1/3] build: ensure that SHA256_FILE is built Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-23 12:35                       ` [PATCH v2 2/3] build: distribute signed sha256sums Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-23 12:35                       ` [PATCH v2 3/3] build: Rename GPG_FILE to DETACHED_SIG_FILE Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-27 21:02                       ` [PATCH v2 1/3] build: ensure that SHA256_FILE is built David Bremner
2019-03-15 11:35               ` [PATCH] build: sign tarball instead of sha256sum Adam Majer
2019-03-15 13:37                 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2019-03-15 14:18                   ` Adam Majer
2019-03-15 13:50                 ` David Bremner
2019-03-15 15:35                   ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor [this message]

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