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List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2560512037244909581==" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (body hash did not verify) header.d=fifthhorseman.net header.s=2019 header.b=TGx5pHDU; dkim=fail (body hash did not verify) header.d=fifthhorseman.net header.s=2019rsa header.b=eGeMaVcl; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=fifthhorseman.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of notmuch-bounces@notmuchmail.org designates 2607:5300:201:3100::1657 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=notmuch-bounces@notmuchmail.org X-Spam-Score: 0.53 X-TUID: gfBKdWZn24bH --===============2560512037244909581== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri 2020-07-03 19:58:23 -0300, David Bremner wrote: > The bikeshed must be blue! Uh, I mean what about narrowish screens (80 > columns or so) and or deeply indented threads? You mean what should happen to messages with headers that are much longer, like: To: David Bremner , Kevin Foley , = notmuch@notmuchmail.org ? =F0=9F=98=9B If someone wants to propose an alternate compact representation that includes both the local time and the sender's TZ offset from where the reader is, but is shorter than what i'd proposed, i'm all ears=E2=80=A6 I originally tried the more compact: Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 09:25:26 -0400 (Sender's TZ +0200) But that isn't quite as useful as knowing what time the sender thought it was when they hit "send" (i don't want to have to do the math in my head). I also tried just showing the time (not the date) but then that gets confusing around the international date line. 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