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From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>
To: Gaute Hope <eg@gaute.vetsj.com>,
	astroidmail@googlegroups.com, notmuch@notmuchmail.org
Subject: Re: Announcing Astroid v0.11
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:18:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bmh41mk5.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1517771221.hi89l1togg.astroid@strange.none>

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On Sun 2018-02-04 20:10:25 +0100, Gaute Hope wrote:
> Because that is currently the only option when using GMime [0].

right, sad.  and that's likely due to the constraints of GPGME.  what a
dependency chain!

I've just opened two issues to try to push that forward:

  https://github.com/jstedfast/gmime/issues/45
  https://dev.gnupg.org/T3775

Feel free to weigh in there as another MUA developer -- if you let them
know what kind of an interface you'd prefer that would help them see
that this is a valued feature.

> Agreed; it should be turned off (as per the spec in my previous email) 
> when there are no Bcc-recipients.

right, that's a clear win over the current status quo.

> The best would of course be to send the e-mail seperately to each
> Bcc-recipient, but that feels like being overly careful / taking on
> the job of the MTA.

Well, i guess you could limit it to two copies total: one copy is to all
Bcc'ed recipients, and one copy to all non-Bcc'ed recipients.  you'd
want to make sure that you got the same Message-ID on each generated
copy, of course.

That avoids even the count of the Bcc recipients going out to the
non-bcc folks, too, which is a nice outcome.

I don't think that's too bad of an option, actually, and it's not taking
on the job of the MTA entirely.  It is a little bit strange because then
there's two ciphertexts generated that are publicly marked to have the
same cleartext (by matching Message-IDs), but that shouldn't be a
problem if the ciphers are reasonable.

        --dkg

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-04 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-04 10:46 Announcing Astroid v0.11 Gaute Hope
2018-02-04 15:37 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2018-02-04 17:52   ` Gaute Hope
2018-02-04 18:32     ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2018-02-04 19:10       ` Gaute Hope
2018-02-04 21:18         ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor [this message]
2018-02-05  1:21           ` Bcc, throw-keyids, and metadata hiding [was: Re: Announcing Astroid v0.11] Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2018-02-05  7:33             ` Gaute Hope
2018-02-05  8:33               ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2018-02-05 15:15                 ` Gaute Hope
2018-02-20 10:08 ` Announcing Astroid v0.11.1 Gaute Hope
2018-02-20 10:28   ` David Bremner

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