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List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4915320772404756521==" X-Migadu-Country: DE X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Spam-Score: -2.90 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.90 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9167643360 X-TUID: 4McGlpiaEop3 --===============4915320772404756521== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1019966C-C86D-4780-9601-299B2F6D8B5B; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-1019966C-C86D-4780-9601-299B2F6D8B5B Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-20829EF8-D80A-4EB2-BCAC-8C8530A84E91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-20829EF8-D80A-4EB2-BCAC-8C8530A84E91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20 This sounds like a nasty problem indeed. OTOH, =E2=80=9Cthere=E2=80=99s noth= ing that couldn=E2=80=99t be=E2=80=9D as my granny would have put it.=20 Bearing in mind that re-recognising a message which has arrived multiple tim= es via different routes is a worthwhile feature, it would seem to me that a h= ash over the invariant part of the message, that is the body, would allow fo= r such detection. In that light, it would seem to me that the tuple (body_ha= sh, message_id) could be a candidate for a =E2=80=9Cunique enough=E2=80=9D(t= m) identifier? --alex --=20 www.condition-alpha.com / @c_alpha Sent from my iPhone; apologies for brevity and autocorrect weirdness.=20 > On 25. Sep 2023, at 14:00, Teemu Likonen wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF* 2023-09-25 07:33:23-0400, Daniel Corbe wrote: >=20 >> Silly question, I know, but have you actually tried reaching out to >> the user? >=20 > Not silly, but I don't even know who the person is. All I see is the > mess, and everything else is my interpretation of the cause. Notmuch > Emacs tree mode shows messages' relations but they are not accurate if > references are messed up. It's difficult to dig into Message-ID level of > relations. >=20 > Perhaps my wish is that there was an easy way to break threads: mark a > message as origin of a new thread. 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